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Old 01-16-2004, 07:47 PM   #61
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I feel that if some critical thought is applied to your above examples we will find;

1. Is more an example of torque than horsepower. The engines available in that style of Peterbilt produce between 350-600 horsepower and between 950-1500 lb/ft of torque.

2. Is an excellent example... of balance.
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Well...that's why I mentioned it's MY interpretation...

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Old 01-16-2004, 07:56 PM   #63
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Well...that's why I mentioned it's MY interpretation...

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That's why I used the term critical thinking, I wasn't entirely sure if you were being specific or using the old gut feeling. :?

As for the thumb thing, try your index finger, it fits so much better. Remember, you can pick your friends and you can pick your nose, but you can't (or shouldn't) pick your friends nose.
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Old 01-16-2004, 08:03 PM   #64
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Ok well excuse me. If you were just "street driving" then neither torque nor HP would be much of a concern of yours. My grandfather goes "street driving" all the damn time. Do you really think that he cares about either of those. NO, he doesn't. We all know you didn't really mean just driving along in the streets.

For such an itellegent person, you really talk circles around yourself to the point where you try to make soooo much sense that you make none. You really shouldn't take things in such a litteral way just to try and create an arguement. I see no point in that.

Obviously testing cars back in the day is less accurate then today. We have new more advanced tools and gadgets these days. I think that it would be interesting to take a car that was tested...let's say in 1980 and check the specs, then teste the same exact car today and compare the specs. I really don't feel that there would be that much of a difference.

I think that you over analyzed my statement. The basic message was meant to be along the lines of....It was nice when you could buy a car with a stock 350 in it and work on it yourself to add horse power. You can't do that these days, if you wan't more horse power you either have to to spend tons of money on electronic parts or fork over tons of money and buy a car with lots of horsepower to begin with and plan on being happy with it because you can't really do too much to engines these days yourself. Unless you have the tools.
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Old 01-16-2004, 08:14 PM   #65
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Obviously testing cars back in the day is less accurate then today. We have new more advanced tools and gadgets these days. I think that it would be interesting to take a car that was tested...let's say in 1980 and check the specs, then teste the same exact car today and compare the specs. I really don't feel that there would be that much of a difference.

Are you sure "back in the day" was less accurate...and then say that, "I really don't feel that there would be that much of a difference." ???

Seems a bit off as two different conclusions within one small paragraph.
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2 is less then 3 but not by much. Ya know.
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Old 01-16-2004, 08:17 PM   #67
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Just because you are racing in the street doesn't mean that you arn't going for top speed or distance. If I were trying to outrun a cop on the STREET, I think that I would feel a little better knowing that I could get away and reach higher speeds then if I stopped and lined up with him, that I could start to burn him at around 60 feet.

Eh, it is pointless arguing this. We obviously both know what the difference between torque and horsepower are.

i'm not sure that you do know the difference between torque and horsepower

street racing is what idiots do, it's what those at the shallow end of the gene pool enjoy, it's stupid, pointless, and dangerous

but, if you are on the street, in everyday driving, you want torque, why? because torque will move you out of the way
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first question still stands, if a V10 was an idiotic way to do it, how would you have done it?
V8?
V6?
I6?
it has to be less than 10 cylinders, because you said that 10 cylinders was "sad"
oh, and by the way, what type of forced induction would you recommend for this miracle engine you would put in there

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Obviously testing cars back in the day is less accurate then today. We have new more advanced tools and gadgets these days. I think that it would be interesting to take a car that was tested...let's say in 1980 and check the specs, then teste the same exact car today and compare the specs. I really don't feel that there would be that much of a difference.

I think that you over analyzed my statement. The basic message was meant to be along the lines of....It was nice when you could buy a car with a stock 350 in it and work on it yourself to add horse power. You can't do that these days, if you wan't more horse power you either have to to spend tons of money on electronic parts or fork over tons of money and buy a car with lots of horsepower to begin with and plan on being happy with it because you can't really do too much to engines these days yourself. Unless you have the tools.

ummm......... no, in the '80s they used the same testing that they do today (when did they start using SAE net testing Hobo?) the problem is that the manufacturers LIE about their numbers, so there has to be independent testing, which doesn't often happen

and if you think that you can't upgrade engines today, you are a tool, why aren't there very many parts for the 4.6L mustang engine? BECAUSE IT IS NEW
it takes time for parts to be made, there are mod motors that are in the 9's, saying that you can't get speed stuff for them is stupid

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Old 01-16-2004, 08:20 PM   #68
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then teste the same

you said "teste"!

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Ok well excuse me. If you were just "street driving" then neither torque nor HP would be much of a concern of yours. My grandfather goes "street driving" all the damn time. Do you really think that he cares about either of those. NO, he doesn't. We all know you didn't really mean just driving along in the streets.

For such an itellegent person, you really talk circles around yourself to the point where you try to make soooo much sense that you make none. You really shouldn't take things in such a litteral way just to try and create an arguement. I see no point in that.

Obviously testing cars back in the day is less accurate then today. We have new more advanced tools and gadgets these days. I think that it would be interesting to take a car that was tested...let's say in 1980 and check the specs, then teste the same exact car today and compare the specs. I really don't feel that there would be that much of a difference.

I think that you over analyzed my statement. The basic message was meant to be along the lines of....It was nice when you could buy a car with a stock 350 in it and work on it yourself to add horse power. You can't do that these days, if you wan't more horse power you either have to to spend tons of money on electronic parts or fork over tons of money and buy a car with lots of horsepower to begin with and plan on being happy with it because you can't really do too much to engines these days yourself. Unless you have the tools.
1. I said street and I meant street. Horsepower and torque are in fact very important issues on the street. One extreme example is if you have none of the above you're pushing your car. Don't attempt to put words in my mouth and don't interpret what I say.

2. I'm the one trying to start an argument? Please tell exactly who it was who said;
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3. As long as the testing procedure was conducted the same way (Gross or Net) you would be absolutely correct. Modern "tools and gadgets" have nothing to do with power production.

4. I didn't over analyze anything, I only responded to what you said;
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All I came in here to say is that I think it is sad that these days they have to make a 10 cylinder engine to be able put out 605 horses!
You made no mention of building your own engine or how you may have gone about it. Words mean things and what you're saying in the two posts aren't even close.
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2 is less then 3 but not by much. Ya know.
It's 50% less, quite substantial.
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2 is less then 3 but not by much. Ya know.
It's 50% less, quite substantial.

you mean 33% less....50% less would be 1.5
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2 is less then 3 but not by much. Ya know.
It's 50% less, quite substantial.

you mean 33% less....50% less would be 1.5
Oops, look like I just had a dumbshit moment. Thank you for the correction.
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2 is less then 3 but not by much. Ya know.
It's 50% less, quite substantial.

you mean 33% less....50% less would be 1.5

Maybe SJ actually means 33.333333333333333333333333...%

Since he's doing corrections.
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2 is less then 3 but not by much. Ya know.
It's 50% less, quite substantial.

you mean 33% less....50% less would be 1.5

Maybe SJ actually means 33.333333333333333333333333...%

Since he's doing corrections.

or for that matter it could be 1/3 less!
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At any rate it seems our "devils advocate" has left the building. I wonder why.
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