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Old 09-21-2005, 09:52 PM   #16
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Well Chevrolet/GM arent the only ones making 'copy' cars or 'look alikes' to another model they already have, look at Chrysler lately, they have the Sebring, 300C, Charger.. and they all look kinda similar (especially from the back).

You mean the 300, magnum and charger? The Sebring looks nothing thos, looks closer to a stratus but it's still far from that.

GM can be more accused than any manufacturer for producing the same vehicle i ndifferent brands.
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Old 09-21-2005, 09:54 PM   #17
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[quote=theman352001]Maybe not in the consumer market but it does serve a purpose in the commercial market.
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I was talking about our consumer market. What you buy at the dealers. Not any other market.
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Old 09-22-2005, 02:09 AM   #18
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They had the Camaro the same style for 10 years? no wonder they had to stop it and wait to redesign it. All I want to knwo is why they didn't redesign it sooner instead they discontinued it for 3 years or so then come out with a new design.

The Firebird/Camaro didnt sell well, thats why they halted production. Plus it was costing them too much money to assemble them in the Canadian plant, which they are contractually bound to do. The reason they hesitate on a new F-body is because if they were to make one under the Firebird/Camaro name, they would be forced to assemble them in Canada.
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Old 09-22-2005, 04:45 AM   #19
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Lets take Ford for example and the Mustang restyling. I'll jsut start with 1987-1993 1994-1998 2000-2004 2005- those are the years I believe of their restyling and the Mustang has done pretty well. They had the Camaro the same style for 10 years?

87-93? try 79-93 for a whopping 14 years on the same body...

camaro styling, for the record, was 67 to 70-1/2, 70-1/2 to 81, 82-92, and 93-02. not that bad...


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All I want to know is why they didn't redesign it sooner instead they discontinued it for 3 years or so then come out with a new design.

when was this that camaro production stopped for 3 years?
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Old 09-22-2005, 02:05 PM   #20
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I was talking about our consumer market. What you buy at the dealers. Not any other market.
I figured you were only concerned with the consumer market. However, you had a plan for GM as a whole. It would not be wise to ignore the commercial market. It can be a very lucrative venture that can help to fund other projects.


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..GM can be more accused than any manufacturer for producing the same vehicle i ndifferent brands..
That is because they had more brands than the other OEMs. They were capitalizing on economies of scale and that worked for a number of years. That is why they were the largest vehicle manufacturer for a number of years. Ford did it too and still does. Grand Marquis/Crown Vic. Taurus/Sable Mariner/Escape. Chrysler does it too. It just made businsess sense in the markets of the 80's and 90's.

Now they are finding out that the markets have shifted and they are struggling to change with them. Once they get it figured out, they will bounce back again like they have in the past.

Hopefully they will also learn something so that next time they can take it to the imports before they take it to us.
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Old 09-22-2005, 08:38 PM   #21
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87-93? try 79-93 for a whopping 14 years on the same body...

camaro styling, for the record, was 67 to 70-1/2, 70-1/2 to 81, 82-92, and 93-02. not that bad...




when was this that camaro production stopped for 3 years?


From what I know they are comming out with the new camaro in 2007.... 2004-2007... 3 years. As for 87-93 I know it went on longer, when I said i'll just start with 87 that was because that year they made small changes which made the grille a little better and some other things...
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Looks pretty nice i guess....i wouldn't buy it though
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It'd cost them to much to release a new Camaro. I doubt theyre going to go ahead with it in the state theyre in now.
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Old 09-22-2005, 11:22 PM   #24
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[quote=Pythias]
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They had the Camaro the same style for 10 years? no wonder they had to stop it and wait to redesign it. All I want to knwo is why they didn't redesign it sooner instead they discontinued it for 3 years or so then come out with a new design. Seems pretty dumb to me. Cars get bland and look old after awhile.

Yeah, that's why the VW Beetle and Porsche 911 sold so poorly, huh? The beetle had interchangeable body and chassis parts from '47 until '77 in the US, and until the last one rolled off the Mexican line in 200 or so. And teh 911 used the same chassis from '63-90+ (major panels like doors and glass interchanged throughout the original run). there's no real reason for a car to change radically every couple of years.
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That camaro looks like a winner to me. Along with teh new solstice, GM should slowly start turning it around. Ford is already on track with the new mustang, fusion, and freestyle.
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From what I know they are comming out with the new camaro in 2007.... 2004-2007... 3 years. As for 87-93 I know it went on longer, when I said i'll just start with 87 that was because that year they made small changes which made the grille a little better and some other things...

how 'bout 2002-2007 instead? 5 years...
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how 'bout 2002-2007 instead? 5 years...

My bad your right :-p for some reason I had 04' stuck in my head I think because when i was lookin at 04's a year ago there was no camaro or somethin
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My bad your right :-p for some reason I had 04' stuck in my head I think because when i was lookin at 04's a year ago there was no camaro or somethin

s'ok, i'm kinda an f-body fan...
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Old 09-23-2005, 06:26 PM   #30
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That camaro looks like a winner to me. Along with teh new solstice, GM should slowly start turning it around. Ford is already on track with the new mustang, fusion, and freestyle.

I agree Ford is doing better than GM, but the Freestyle is nothing to write home about and the Fusion is just a step better than Taurus was, still no Accord Camry or Altima beater.
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