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Old 12-07-2005, 06:58 PM   #31
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Yea a z would give you a good run at the drag strip but not a s2000

FYI - The 04-06 S2000 runs the exact same 1/4 miles does a 350Z...The 350Z roadster is even slower than the S2000.
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Old 12-07-2005, 07:02 PM   #32
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Yea a z would give you a good run at the drag strip but not a s2000

One, drag strips aren't the only measure of performance. Two, S2000s aren't that bad for drag strip use considering that they weren't designed for it, and three, how much low end torque a car has makes no difference in a drag race. NO one, not even V8 racers, race from idle. You launch in the powerband, and shift to remain in the powerband.

An example, my RX3 made no useable power below 3500 rpm. Probably wouldn't even register on a dyno (well, not that bad but close). But I launched it at 6000 rpm and shifted at 9250 rpm. What it made BELOW 6000 rpm made no differnce as after the launch it never got below 6500 rpm!
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Old 12-07-2005, 07:27 PM   #33
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Well if I had the money i would get a SS.. Or look for Supra
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Old 12-07-2005, 07:40 PM   #34
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One, drag strips aren't the only measure of performance. Two, S2000s aren't that bad for drag strip use considering that they weren't designed for it, and three, how much low end torque a car has makes no difference in a drag race. NO one, not even V8 racers, race from idle. You launch in the powerband, and shift to remain in the powerband.

An example, my RX3 made no useable power below 3500 rpm. Probably wouldn't even register on a dyno (well, not that bad but close). But I launched it at 6000 rpm and shifted at 9250 rpm. What it made BELOW 6000 rpm made no differnce as after the launch it never got below 6500 rpm!



Thank you, I dont know HOW many times I have re-iterated this on this forum. You race with high end horsepower (aka torque in the upper rpm bands, but high end horsepower is what it tends to get called), not low end torque. I think I've said this in at least 5 different threads now.
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Old 12-08-2005, 05:23 PM   #35
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What exactly are you looking for in a car? Will you be bringing it to the track? Modding it? From the limited info. and your list I would pick the S2000. You might also want to look at a Camaro/Trans Am (mentioned earlier), Mustang GT, or a C5 Corvette. Personally, I'd take the Vette over an S2000 anyday.


I am basically looking for the fastest car I can get for 18k, but I don't want it to be shitty on the inside, would like it to be nice as well.
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Old 12-08-2005, 05:28 PM   #36
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Just a few questions.

-What are you looking for out of your car?
-Do you live in a region with where inclement weather is common?
-Do you foresee a need to carry more than 2 people in your car?
-Does this car need any semblance of practicality at all?
-How much gas are you willing to spend per week?
-How much money are you willing to pay to insure it?

I am preferably looking for the fastest car i can for 18k, but also not a peice of crap on the inside. I live in the Sacramento area which does not see any snow or extreme weather conditions. My parents are going to be paying for my gas and insurance for awhile so that isn't an issue for me right now.
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Old 12-08-2005, 07:41 PM   #37
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I am preferably looking for the fastest car i can for 18k, but also not a peice of crap on the inside. I live in the Sacramento area which does not see any snow or extreme weather conditions. My parents are going to be paying for my gas and insurance for awhile so that isn't an issue for me right now.
Given the situation I would get e C5 Corvette. Good acceleration, and good handling. The are somewhat notorious for having a cheapish interior, but I wouldn't call it a piece of crap. Corvette buyers just get angry when their 50K has many of the same interior pieces from cheaper Chevys. If you're not a Chevy man there's also the 03-04 Cobra, but I don't know if you could get one for 18K, same goes for and STi/Evo.
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Old 12-08-2005, 09:15 PM   #38
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The FD's handling capabilities with an LS1 is just as good, if not better. No question about power, I've never met a 350+hp reliable rotary (heck even a stock one isnt all that reliable, especially after 80k-100k miles). I HAVE however seen many 400hp,500hp even 600hp LS1's that have been driven daily for years without many hiccups. It doesnt matter what Turbo setup you run, the REW runs into many difficulties, the worst being Apex Seal issues (which I've personally come to be haunted with on my girlfriends 94 Touring). There are many more minor issues though, that really are VERY expensive to deal with...The Sequential turbo setup is far from the worst of the REW's issues.

In my dealing with the 2nd and 3rd generation RX-7's, there is nothing easier/better than just getting rid of the trouble prone rotary in favor of a V8 of equal or less weight.

Hinson makes a good case for the 2nd and 3rd gen V8 swaps...just go to their FAQ page.

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I can't disagree with you more. If you are having problems with your 94 Touring, you obviously don't know squat about how to take care of a turbo rotary. If all you care about is power then why even buy a rotary in the first place? If you jerk off to v8s so much then why not just buy a v8 equipped car in the first place? It sounds me like all you care about is putting down rotaries. Kinda sad.
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Old 12-08-2005, 09:46 PM   #39
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I can't disagree with you more. If you are having problems with your 94 Touring, you obviously don't know squat about how to take care of a turbo rotary. If all you care about is power then why even buy a rotary in the first place? If you jerk off to v8s so much then why not just buy a v8 equipped car in the first place? It sounds me like all you care about is putting down rotaries. Kinda sad.

Obviously you're just a rotard.

FIRST: The RX-7 is NOT my car, it is my girlfriends. It isn't what I wanted, and before we bought it we both knew it would have issues (like every other REW owner we've known), never thought the engine would blow after a year and half, only modifcation other than the 3mm apex seals (Which still didnt hold) was a cat-back exhaust. So this thing wasn't putting really anymore stress on the engine than say a completely stock motor. I can't remember the exact mileage, but I think it didn't make it past 90k miles.

SECOND: Who are you to say because someone had problems with a rotary they dont know how to take care of it? We knew it required special attention more-so than your average vehicle and trust me we DEFINATLEY had it checked over and over COMPLETELY by ROTARY SPECIALISTS at least once ever 3-4 months (not to mention the constant 1500 mile oil changes because it gulped oil like no toher). We did everything they said needed to be done, and I trust their opinion over yours. They even told us "Expect some major things to happen around 80k-100k miles, nop matter how you take care of the REW it tends to have problems around then"; even rotary enthusists/specialsts say they tend to start having issues! Themselves have gone through 3 REW's in their Datsun race car in a matter of a few years (finally changing to a RB powerplant). So trust me when I say, it was babied beyond belief.

THIRD: One day my girlfriend was just driving the car, the engine overheated, smoked, and was basically killed. So, oh well, we did what we could, and I wanted to go with a V8 powerplant because at least we know they last longer than REW's tend to. She didn't want it, and I told her I'm not investing into another REW. So we stumbled across a webpage that sold 20b's from Cosmos. It was a fairly decent deal so we went with it. Only problem was finding someone to do it, our rotary people had enver done it before but were willing to do it, but for a cost I was not willing to pay ($3k+). We also soon figured out we needed to by a 20b subframe (which ended up costing $1200). Finally we found a guy who would do it for a reasonable price and did it (Although it took him FOREVER). So far we've had no major issues with the 20b. Although it has less than 40k miles on it I believe. So who knows what will happen?

Honestly, I think the FD and FC should of came stock from the factory with V8's. They work DAMN well in them, as they lose no handling characteristics and dont gain much weight if ANY at all; not to mention the weight balance is still about 50/50 with a Ford 302 or Chevy LT1/LS1 (oh yeah, the RELIABLE power potential increase by about 3x too). It's only you rotards who cry and bitch about "it's just not an RX-7 without the rotary". Well I tell them this, you can keep replacing expensive stuff with your REW (and possibly the engine itself) in your FD and have mediocre power, while IF I had my personal RX-7, I wouldn't hesitate one second to put a LS1 in there, have 100+ more horsepower, much more torque, gain no weight AND probably cost less in the long run because I wont be having to probably replace the engine or $1000 parts here and there. I'm not partial to V8's in general, but if they work so damn well in the RX-7, and the stock powerplant in the FD tends to be a money pit for repairs, I see no reason why not to go with a V8. I'll wait for your response to that.

BTW - I dont "put down rotaries", I just pointed out a major flaw with the REW in particular, which is it DOES tend to crap out, or require EXTREMELY expensive repairs. Guess you just dont know about it until you OWN a REW or know people who have ahd similar problems.
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Old 12-09-2005, 12:31 AM   #40
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Yes the car has issues. Yes the car will blow. Yes the motor can be rebuilt. Yes you can reach 500+hp. Yes you have to tune the car really well. Yes, even after you put a cat back exhaust, tune the car. No you don't have to change the oil that frequently, just add oil.

It doesn't sound like you installed the typical reliability mods, which are essential especially for the touring model. After that, if your car is tuned well, it should be able to last above 100k miles. And even if it blows, you can still rebuild it. Its not like the world is coming to an end. Your girlfriend obviously had no idea what she is doing, and neither do you for that matter. You've already admitted that. Overheating is extremely bad and should be expected if you have a TT setup wtih the REW! The motor will not tolerate extreme heat.

I agree that it will crap out, and it will before most engines normally do. It doesn't mean the engine is inferior. The FD is not your everyday typical car. Its a special car with special needs that the owner needs to understand, in this case, your girlfriend. If built correctly, it can exceed your expectations beyond your wildest dreams.

Like i said before, clueless owners are the ones who bring down rotaries.
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Old 12-09-2005, 12:50 AM   #41
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Old 12-09-2005, 12:55 AM   #42
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Anyways, don't bother responding. I think im done with this forum once and for all.
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Old 12-09-2005, 01:42 AM   #43
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Yes the car has issues. Yes the car will blow. Yes the motor can be rebuilt. Yes you can reach 500+hp. Yes you have to tune the car really well. Yes, even after you put a cat back exhaust, tune the car. No you don't have to change the oil that frequently, just add oil.

It doesn't sound like you installed the typical reliability mods, which are essential especially for the touring model. After that, if your car is tuned well, it should be able to last above 100k miles. And even if it blows, you can still rebuild it. Its not like the world is coming to an end. Your girlfriend obviously had no idea what she is doing, and neither do you for that matter. You've already admitted that. Overheating is extremely bad and should be expected if you have a TT setup wtih the REW! The motor will not tolerate extreme heat.

I agree that it will crap out, and it will before most engines normally do. It doesn't mean the engine is inferior. The FD is not your everyday typical car. Its a special car with special needs that the owner needs to understand, in this case, your girlfriend. If built correctly, it can exceed your expectations beyond your wildest dreams.

Like i said before, clueless owners are the ones who bring down rotaries.

My opinion is; if the Rotary is so great, then why does i make less horsepower, worse fuel economy, and has more reliability issues? 500hp, whoop dey freaking do, you can easily achieve that with a RB26, the R32 GTR only costs 15,000, or like thunderbird said, put a LS1 into the FD/FC.

My take on it is that the last generation of Rotaries are decent engines, but they're not great, but what can you expect? Its a different idea, a idea which needs succesful pioneers like the RX-7, the 13b is a great stepping stone but Rotary is still technically in its infant stage; sure it was invented a long time ago, but no one bothered to do R&D on it, so not much improvements have been made, so of course the 13b will have some flaws, and maybe inferior to an engine that has been evolving non stop for the past 80 years or so. Since then the REW has made great strides in Fuel efficency and reliability with the new Renesis.

Have you guys heard about the new kind of engine in development; Its called the "Quasi-turbine engine." Basically it works like a Rotary but instead of a triangular rotor, it has 4 carriages to carry out the cycle with better efficency then the piston driven engine. Read the article, its actually quite interesting, patented in 1996, but still hasn't really shown up in the internal combustion engine radar yet, i wonder if it will ever even get off the ground. The article can be found here .
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If all you care about is power then why even buy a rotary in the first place? If you jerk off to v8s so much then why not just buy a v8 equipped car in the first place? It sounds me like all you care about is putting down rotaries. Kinda sad.

Ok, I've gone over THIS before, too.

If all you think the RX7 is is the ENGINE, so that putting a V8 in one means you might as well have started with any of the stock V8 cars out there, you must f*ckin HATE the RX7 as a f*cking CAR.

The RX7 is vastly more than the engine. It's looks, ergonomics, looks, size, looks, weight, looks, build quality, looks, suspension capability, etc. If putting a V8 in one makes it no different/better than a Camaro, then why not just put a rotary in your driveway with NO car around it and see how f*cking far you go!

Maybe we buy an RX7 for a LOT of goddamn f*cking reasons that have nothing to do than jerking off over a low powered f*cking rotary engine just because the ENGINE is unique in the marketplace!!!!!

Goddamn ****ing religious rotards....

And I LIKE rotary engines!!!!

It's been proven time and again that the V8 does NOT hurt the balance of the car, the handling of the car, the ergonomics of the car, the build quality of the car, or any other goddamn thing. It just adds the reliable power that turbo RX7 owners WISH they f*cking had.

Here's a link to a 400+ hp LS1 FD that goes on the corner scales... It weighs a mere 15 lbs more than the stock R1 that follows it onto the scales, but had 60 lbs less weight on the front wheels!!!!! The guy's a novice autocrosser, however...

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Anyways, don't bother responding. I think im done with this forum once and for all.


Yup leave the forum so you don't have to actually learn anything.

Go where people already share your uninformed opinions so you can sleep easier.

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