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Old 01-27-2006, 12:14 AM   #16
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I think I answered YES to every one of those questions.

Permission? Permission from who? A bunch of idiots the sit on their big fat butts all day on internaltional ground in New York? Permission from the quite possibly the most corrupt organization in the history of mankind? One that we also happen to supply I think about 90% of EVERYTHING to. Yeah, we really need their permission.

Cause socialistc liberal policies and programs=freedom doesn't it? O wait that's right, socialism is the opposite of freedom smart one.

I agree. Good thing I continued to read this topic I was about to reply to what she said.
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Old 01-30-2006, 07:56 AM   #17
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Although,I do think it would be great to have a female president, I just don't think she should be the first.
I wouldn't consider myself a democrat, but I'm certainly not republican. I do consider myself quite liberal.

I was wondering if any of you guys local newspapers or new channels are really biased and close-minded?
I live in conservative area, and for the most part, anyone liberal is considered "evil" and is patronized. I'm also close to two military bases, and saying you don't support the war isn't taken very lightly at all.Most of the political articles and commentaries, are just bashing liberal ideas while, praising conservatism. I rarely see a pro-liberal piece. I was just wondering is this kind of thing is common in other areas in the US.

To me personally, it doesn't really matter who gets elected. They're all the same in my eyes. I don't trust any of them. It's all about money and power. I think the way our country is being ran is disgusting. Our priorities are pretty screwed. The rich keep get richer, the poor keep get poorer. We can spend millions on creating bombs and weapons to kill others, but there are people in our country who can't even afford to feed and clothe their own children. I don't really get it.
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Old 01-31-2006, 01:09 AM   #18
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I dissagree with the way we went to war, but i do not dissagree with the war, if that makes sense. I also highly dissagree with the NSA and thier way of conducting business for two reasons;

ONE) no matter how you put it, invasion of privacy, wether you are white, black, hispanic, middle eastern, orange, blue green, is aganst the FIRST AMMENDMANT and if taken o court, no matter how many ways the prosuction will twist it, the supreme court wil eventually overturn any rulling and the goerment would look like retards with thier thumbs up thier asses

and TWO) if it is rele nessecary to spy on citizens of your own contury, you have truly become to paranoid, or you need to tighten your f***ing borders and not give green cards and visas to every1 that comes here, i dont care how free we are

this brings up another rant that i sahll not bore you with about mexicans and the damn border, but i sahll not bore you unless begged to do so

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Old 01-31-2006, 01:20 AM   #19
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To me personally, it doesn't really matter who gets elected. They're all the same in my eyes. I don't trust any of them. It's all about money and power. I think the way our country is being ran is disgusting. Our priorities are pretty screwed. The rich keep get richer, the poor keep get poorer. We can spend millions on creating bombs and weapons to kill others, but there are people in our country who can't even afford to feed and clothe their own children. I don't really get it.
Boy you're opening up a can of worms...

Yes the rich are getting richer, but the porr are NOT getting pooer. even if they are, "poverty" in this country is wealthy almost anywhere else, and it keeps going up. That's right, the poor are getting richer too, just not as fast as the rick are. So I ask you, if everyone is getting richer, then what's the problem?

Another thing, the government should not be providing for people who can't make it on their own, the government is SUPPOSED to biuld bombs and weapons, not create a socialistic state where no one has the motivation to work because they can just wait till the end of the month and pick up their welfare check. The government isn't the biggest part of the problem, the people are.

People like you get on my nerves because you won't look at the facts, you just watch CNN and read the New York Times.
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Old 01-31-2006, 01:25 AM   #20
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I dissagree with the way we went to war, but i do not dissagree with the war, if that makes sense. I also highly dissagree with the NSA and thier way of conducting business for two reasons;

ONE) no matter how you put it, invasion of privacy, wether you are white, black, hispanic, middle eastern, orange, blue green, is aganst the FIRST AMMENDMANT and if taken o court, no matter how many ways the prosuction will twist it, the supreme court wil eventually overturn any rulling and the goerment would look like retards with thier thumbs up thier asses

and TWO) if it is rele nessecary to spy on citizens of your own contury, you have truly become to paranoid, or you need to tighten your f***ing borders and not give green cards and visas to every1 that comes here, i dont care how free we are

this brings up another rant that i sahll not bore you with about mexicans and the damn border, but i sahll not bore you unless begged to do so

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You're brilliant but an idiot all at the same time.

ONE-This is WAR. There are true Muslim US citizens who are cooperating with terrorists, and they must be stopped at any cost. If an attack were to happen tomorrow that could have been prevented by this "domestic spying", then everyone would scream at Bush for not doing anything. You guys do get it, as long as it's a Republican or conservative that's screwing up.

TWO-Yes you're absolutely right, our swiss cheese borders are just...wrong. George Bush is being an idiot about them, we need to do something about it. But I'll keep quite about that for now...
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Old 01-31-2006, 01:28 AM   #21
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I saw this ad at the top of the forums, so you can't call it advertising (post-whoring you may, but not advertising)

http://www.xpressyourview.com/t_shirts1

Funny Anti-Bush T-Shirts...

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Old 01-31-2006, 01:41 AM   #22
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actually, no i wouldn't. i would appreciate the fact that they were trying to protect the country in which i chose to live. plus, if you aren't bashing america, then you don't need to worry about the government taking it as a threat to america. and i for one will not bash my country.
Some one get me my boots, it’s getting a little deep in here.

You all would be shitting your pants if that happened to you, don’t you even lie about it.

Eavesdropping on citizens is against the law, it brakes the constitution... that was until the patriot act was passed... thank god some of its power has been restricted. If you don’t think its against the law then let me ask you... why do cops have to get a warrant before they can place a bug in your phone? Because its a law... now if the us government is above its own laws, then I want ****ing out because that’s not a state of government that any sane man woman or child should live in.

Lets not even get started on this is a war... if this were a real war, we would have taken out osama by now... instead half way in out task we switch gears and go after Iraq (its like we are a kid with ADD assigned to write a paper, half way through we start playing a video game)... dumbest mistake ever made by the us government!
But that’s a topic for another thread... this one is about our rights as citizens being slowly stripped away.

I will vote for Hillary, because I love this country and I’d hate to see it go down the shitter… we have time to save this once wonderful country… and with any luck the next administration will be able to clean up GWBs mistake.
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Old 01-31-2006, 01:44 AM   #23
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To me personally, it doesn't really matter who gets elected. They're all the same in my eyes. I don't trust any of them. It's all about money and power. I think the way our country is being ran is disgusting. Our priorities are pretty screwed. The rich keep get richer, the poor keep get poorer. We can spend millions on creating bombs and weapons to kill others, but there are people in our country who can't even afford to feed and clothe their own children. I don't really get it.



I dont agree with much else in your post... but damn what insite!
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Old 01-31-2006, 01:52 AM   #24
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You're brilliant but an idiot all at the same time.

ONE-This is WAR. There are true Muslim US citizens who are cooperating with terrorists, and they must be stopped at any cost. If an attack were to happen tomorrow that could have been prevented by this "domestic spying", then everyone would scream at Bush for not doing anything. You guys do get it, as long as it's a Republican or conservative that's screwing up.

Bull shi!

It's wrong no matter who is doing it! I don’t care if it was a dem or a rep. Either way its wrong... war is wrong as well.
We spend far too much time trying to spread our influence every where, part of why we are so hated.

Go back a 100 years and see how the middle east thought of us then... we were just as greedy, opportunistic, and what every else they hate us for then as we are now... now look at the events in the last 100 years (mostly following WWII, and what we did with the Jewish refugees), then you’ll see where most of this hatred is stemming from...

On top of which we also trained the men we now call terrorists... "We taught that dog to squat how dare he do that shit in our own back yard"

This is a very sad time we live in, and unfortunately the majority of this country likes it the way it is... which is sad not just for our nation but also our species... If there is a god, he’s looking down at us with shame right now, probably weeping at what we’ve done and what we are doing to one another.
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I think I answered YES to every one of those questions.
And I think I rolled my eyes at pretty much everything you said.....
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Old 01-31-2006, 03:07 AM   #26
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Bull shi!

It's wrong no matter who is doing it! I donít care if it was a dem or a rep. Either way its wrong... war is wrong as well.
We spend far too much time trying to spread our influence every where, part of why we are so hated.

Go back a 100 years and see how the middle east thought of us then... we were just as greedy, opportunistic, and what every else they hate us for then as we are now... now look at the events in the last 100 years (mostly following WWII, and what we did with the Jewish refugees), then youíll see where most of this hatred is stemming from...

On top of which we also trained the men we now call terrorists... "We taught that dog to squat how dare he do that shit in our own back yard"

This is a very sad time we live in, and unfortunately the majority of this country likes it the way it is... which is sad not just for our nation but also our species... If there is a god, heís looking down at us with shame right now, probably weeping at what weíve done and what we are doing to one another.

You're so right. We brought 9/11 on ourselves! Ban All SUV's~!!!
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ok... how 'bout this? if eavesdropping to ensure national security is so wrong and unnecessary... how 'bout you folks pipe up w/ some better ideas?


*crickets chirping*

have you forgotten about 9/11 and the fact that we got sucker punched b/c we got too smug and assumed that no one out there wanted to hurt us? so we just let any old f*cker in that wanted in and said "here's your citizenship---you don't even need to speak the language anymore. feel free to form a terrorist group, we're so enabling that we'll just look at you and say isn't that cute" america is no longer the "united states" because the only ones united are terrorist groups and minorities that are becoming the majority. which is fine, but if we want to have our freedoms, we have to pull together once in a while. it's not all wine and roses. people are too much into instant gratification anymore and don't believe that anything worth having requires work...

whoo, sorry.. needed to vent


how 'bout some ideas, though, instead of just complaints? anyone feel like working to make this a better country? (if you all think it sucks that bad)
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Old 01-31-2006, 04:12 AM   #28
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ok... how 'bout this? if eavesdropping to ensure national security is so wrong and unnecessary... how 'bout you folks pipe up w/ some better ideas?


*crickets chirping*

have you forgotten about 9/11 and the fact that we got sucker punched b/c we got too smug and assumed that no one out there wanted to hurt us? so we just let any old f*cker in that wanted in and said "here's your citizenship---you don't even need to speak the language anymore. feel free to form a terrorist group, we're so enabling that we'll just look at you and say isn't that cute" america is no longer the "united states" because the only ones united are terrorist groups and minorities that are becoming the majority. which is fine, but if we want to have our freedoms, we have to pull together once in a while. it's not all wine and roses. people are too much into instant gratification anymore and don't believe that anything worth having requires work...

whoo, sorry.. needed to vent


how 'bout some ideas, though, instead of just complaints? anyone feel like working to make this a better country? (if you all think it sucks that bad)

No No No we couldn't do that, that would actually require some kind of thought rather than simply poitning fingers at what should be done differently. Seems like all people want to do so please continue guys.
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You're so right. We brought 9/11 on ourselves! Ban All SUV's~!!!

SUVs have nothing to do with 9/11 stay on topic!

But in a way we did, would you say... if you beat your dog every day for several years and one day he bites off a finger... you brought it on your self?

Well I would say that if you force people out of their homes, alienate them the way they have been, you’d cause a bit of hostility that over a generations time could turn to hate and that hate would turn into actions... which is what happened.

Stop following the propaganda and start thinking for your self, you’ll be surprised by what you learn.

OH and I lost family in 9/11 so don’t think I’m just looking at this as an unaffected outsider.
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SUVs have nothing to do with 9/11 stay on topic!

But in a way we did, would you say... if you beat your dog every day for several years and one day he bites off a finger... you brought it on your self?

Well I would say that if you force people out of their homes, alienate them the way they have been, youíd cause a bit of hostility that over a generations time could turn to hate and that hate would turn into actions... which is what happened.

Stop following the propaganda and start thinking for your self, youíll be surprised by what you learn.

OH and I lost family in 9/11 so donít think Iím just looking at this as an unaffected outsider.

lol I know about the SUV's, I was just joking around. Opinions won't resolve anything so there isn't a great deal that arguing does here. Let me lay it out on the line for you, I believe in what we are doing to prevent terrorism, spying, eaves-dropping, whatever it takes. This is simply my opinion, there really is not right or wrong here it is like the argument over abortion. Personally I am pro-choice, you can argue about things all day and not come out with a "right" answer, as for the whole dog analogy, I don't believe that justifies it in anyway, and is almost like comparings apples and oranges.
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