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Old 02-24-2006, 05:05 AM   #1
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Which is faster?

I'm in the final talkings with someone (again) for buying the Fiero, and because I’ve had a little time to drive it again I just cant go with a gas mileage oriented car.. Not yet anyway.

So, I’ve been doing my research again and this time I think I have it narrowed down 98-00 Grand Prix GTP or Chrysler 300M.
Both have 250HP, both weight just about the same (making them just about as fast as one another), one is super charged whilst the other isn’t... one is much sexier then the other and has more trunk space, one is much more luxurious then the other... yet the other is well known for its speed and kickassness.

SO I’m torn.
I think the 300M is sexier, something about the headlights, Plus it has auto stick and if your not familiar with it, it allows you to shift the auto trans manually, so if I put it in first gear and hit the throttle it’ll shift on its own at the red lines, or I can shift it how I want it; a feature not found on GTP.
So what are your thoughts? A stock GTP or 300M? Both say with the same mileage... same color (black) and say same 4 doors. Now keeping out the usual anti Chrysler tranny issue... what points make the GTP better or the 300M better?

You cant rely on "its a GM" only that’s not something that makes it better or worse.

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I dunno I think the 300M has a little refinement that the GTP is lacking.
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Old 02-24-2006, 06:48 AM   #2
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Personally, I find that both cars are a little too big for my own taste, but if I had to choose, I'd take the Pontiac. I like the styling a little better, though I don't really know what either interior looks like. The 300M's (that version) style is just a little too old man for me.
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Old 02-24-2006, 07:11 AM   #3
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:Stupid: DITTO, The GTP apeals to me more than the 300M. (might have something to do with the fact that I'm somewhat baised against Daimler Chrysler)

O BTW...I've smoked 300Ms, they're not quick(I've left them behind in 3rd).
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Old 02-24-2006, 07:15 AM   #4
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Yeah, I'd take the Grand Prix also, the 300M doesn't really appeal to me too much for some reason.
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Old 02-24-2006, 07:16 AM   #5
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im gunna stray away and say that 300m, all black with the chrome rims, actually looks quite nice, no experience driving in either, but by looks, id go with the 300
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Old 02-24-2006, 09:55 AM   #6
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I'm in the final talkings with someone (again) for buying the Fiero, and because Iíve had a little time to drive it again I just cant go with a gas mileage oriented car.. Not yet anyway.

So, Iíve been doing my research again and this time I think I have it narrowed down 98-00 Grand Prix GTP or Chrysler 300M.
Both have 250HP, both weight just about the same (making them just about as fast as one another), one is super charged whilst the other isnít... one is much sexier then the other and has more trunk space, one is much more luxurious then the other... yet the other is well known for its speed and kickassness.

SO Iím torn.
I think the 300M is sexier, something about the headlights, Plus it has auto stick and if your not familiar with it, it allows you to shift the auto trans manually, so if I put it in first gear and hit the throttle itíll shift on its own at the red lines, or I can shift it how I want it; a feature not found on GTP.
So what are your thoughts? A stock GTP or 300M? Both say with the same mileage... same color (black) and say same 4 doors. Now keeping out the usual anti Chrysler tranny issue... what points make the GTP better or the 300M better?

You cant rely on "its a GM" only thatís not something that makes it better or worse.

I dunno I think the 300M has a little refinement that the GTP is lacking.
Do I detect a case of sever hypocrisy here? Why, yes I do. What happened to never owning a car that's bigger or more powerful than is necessary? What happened to only people who don't care about the lives of others or the future of our planet driving something as heavy and fuel inefficient as a car like a GTP or 300M? Or maybe you're like most other liberals and feel that you don't need to practice what you preach, that doing the right thing is only for the other guy. Shocking. Once again you have proven yourself to be a hypocrite of the first order.

If you really wanted to put your money where your mouth is, you'd drive one of these.



I can't wait to hear the indignant response. Make sure you have plenty of justification why others should do as you say and not as you do.
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Old 02-24-2006, 01:12 PM   #7
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I've driven a 99 GTP and a 02? 300M and by far the GTP outperformed and outhandled the 300M by far, in my opinion, the GTP is a much better car overall.
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Old 02-24-2006, 06:53 PM   #8
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If I had more performance in mind, I'd get the GTP.

If I had more luxury in mind (cruiser car), I'd get the 300M.

But I wouldn't buy either if I had other choices.
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Old 02-24-2006, 06:55 PM   #9
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Do I detect a case of sever hypocrisy here? Why, yes I do. What happened to never owning a car that's bigger or more powerful than is necessary? What happened to only people who don't care about the lives of others or the future of our planet driving something as heavy and fuel inefficient as a car like a GTP or 300M? Or maybe you're like most other liberals and feel that you don't need to practice what you preach, that doing the right thing is only for the other guy. Shocking. Once again you have proven yourself to be a hypocrite of the first order.

If you really wanted to put your money where your mouth is, you'd drive one of these.



I can't wait to hear the indignant response. Make sure you have plenty of justification why others should do as you say and not as you do.


He drives a V8 Fiero, that should say enough about him being a hypocrite...
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Old 02-24-2006, 07:07 PM   #10
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While I like the GTP, my personal choice would be the 300M Special.





A very classy car, more performance than you need in a street car, and vastly better build quality than the older GM design. And amzingly enough, I even like the stock wheels.

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Old 02-24-2006, 10:02 PM   #11
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Do I detect a case of sever hypocrisy here? Why, yes I do. What happened to never owning a car that's bigger or more powerful than is necessary? What happened to only people who don't care about the lives of others or the future of our planet driving something as heavy and fuel inefficient as a car like a GTP or 300M? Or maybe you're like most other liberals and feel that you don't need to practice what you preach, that doing the right thing is only for the other guy. Shocking. Once again you have proven yourself to be a hypocrite of the first order.

If you really wanted to put your money where your mouth is, you'd drive one of these.



Ok one, my mom has one and consistently gets 30mpg on the highway with hers... so that’s the same fuel economy as my breeze!

You don’t see me driving a SUV, a super sports car, or a pick up truck... how is a sedan more then what I need? Its got a huge trunk that will hold all my studio supplies, and will hold 4 people...OMG 4 People in my car that’s such a hypocritical thing.

Heavy? All of 3500lbs? My breeze only weighs 3100lbs... God I don’t see where you’re coming from.

Its got a good crash safety ratting and cant do any more damage then any other car in its class... its not like its a 5k lb truck with a 10In lift...

You are just looking for an excuse to start a fight... and I don’t know why... maybe you feel inadequate to me.

And seriously WTF is that? That’s the ugliest car on the planet.
I could see my self driving a Honda Element… but there aren’t any in my area in my price range… and id rather go with a slightly more powerful sedan then a high gas mileage car, and 30 is where most cars are today, and that’s ok… whats not ok is saying I don’t need this big ass SUV but I’m going to drive it because I want others to look at me in my big truck, and I don’t care it only gets 12mpg who cares, that’s the attitude that’s wrong.


And for the last ****ing time, the Fiero is a project car and gets driven maybe a total of 4 months out of the year, and even then its only driven on the weekends! It’s a 10 year old engine swap and its only got 40k… so if that’s any idea of how often its driven!
I’ve got nothing against projects, if you have a project truck that you drive rarely and take to the trails cool super doper but its not a daily driver and shouldn’t be… just like my Fiero!

Now, can we stay on topic? or is that impossible for you?!?!?!?!?

Can I ask, why would 2 cars that weigh the same with the same HP have one faster then the other? I would think it was the driver.
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Old 02-24-2006, 11:04 PM   #12
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Can I ask, why would 2 cars that weigh the same with the same HP have one faster then the other? I would think it was the driver.

Torque curve and gearing come to mind.

Has anyone found any hard numbers from when these cars were new? skidpad / 0-60 / 1/4 mile? I definitely would pick the GTP. Increasing the boost would be simple if desired and I detest the look/design of Chrysler/Dodge cab-forward cars.
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Torque curve and gearing come to mind.

Has anyone found any hard numbers from when these cars were new? skidpad / 0-60 / 1/4 mile? I definitely would pick the GTP. Increasing the boost would be simple if desired and I detest the look/design of Chrysler/Dodge cab-forward cars.

While you can just increase the boost, the tranny is the weak point in the supercharged V6 GM vehicles. From what I gather, they cant take much more torque than what the engine already is putting out, I understand using better tranny fluid helps, but doesnt solve the whole problem.
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Old 02-25-2006, 08:17 AM   #14
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Torque curve and gearing come to mind.

The power band isnt really an issue because with auto stick you can keep the rpms where the power is... and for gearing... ya i supposed that could be a short fall.

I still think someone properly using auto stick should be able to tear a auto (did they make manuals?) GTP a new one.
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Old 02-25-2006, 03:31 PM   #15
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i think the 300M looks newer and doesnt look at trashy as the ponitac.
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