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Old 03-07-2006, 01:00 AM   #1
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Today the Governor of South Dakota signed a Bill in to law that for all practical purposes makes abortions illegal in that individual state. Additionally, I just saw a news report out of Grand Rapids where that city is making an ordinance to prohibit nude and topless dancing, the female dancers will be required to wear a G-string and pasties and be separated by a minimum of 6 feet from customers . The Grand Rapids mayor made the comment that it was the “City’s” hope that this would help stop the “objectification of women as sex objects”!

Once again the radical religious right is stepping in to help us protect ourselves and I for one am getting sick and tired of these self-righteous cock suckers telling me what is best for me or anyone else for that matter! I am a grown adult that has attended and graduated from an institution of higher learning. I have a mind, free from any mental handicapped and therefore should be more than able to figure out what is best for me!

I never go to strip clubs and I never intend on getting another(wow I had to edit my dad) woman pregnant, so why am I so offended by the religious zealots offensive? Simply stated it is one more assault on our personal freedoms and it makes little difference to me, if it is the religious right or the liberal left, I am tired of all the clichéd, trite political dogma that spews forth on the television every night.

I guess I’ve become too old and disillusioned to envision that anything will get any better and most things will become worse and in the not too distant future we all will live under the specter of a religious socialism that we are indoctrinated into believing is utopia.


I have to agree with my dad.
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Old 03-07-2006, 02:03 AM   #2
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Old 03-07-2006, 02:27 PM   #3
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The voters in South Dakota decided they didn't want abortion in their state, and it's not affecting your dad, unless he lives in South Dakota. Why does he care?
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Old 03-07-2006, 03:07 PM   #4
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The voters in South Dakota decided they didn't want abortion in their state, and it's not affecting your dad, unless he lives in South Dakota. Why does he care?
Because its an impendent on women’s rights!
If one state does it, it puts roe Vs wade at risk in all the other states, mark my words this is the begging of a vary dark time in US history (actually the start was in 2000)... hey your not getting an abortion why do you care if some woman in ca does it? You shouldn’t but you still push for its ban don’t ya? Well for the same but opposite reason we are fighting for its continued legalization...

But **** with all these crazy religious right wing assholes are always stepping on our freedoms telling us what’s good for us! I am an adult just like my father and I have the right to have a woman shake her naked boobs in my face for dollars! **** those women can make upwards of 1k$ a day! I know my GF used to do it here in Lansing (IT pays better... but not much).
They tell us what’s safe for us based off their bible which is wrong! They have no right making laws based off of religious teachings! I will fight this tooth and nail... I wish it were 2008 so bush would be gone so we can get a decent man or woman in there to do something right for a change.

And before you get all on me for being a hypocrite, I don’t support banning SUVs (I just think common since would tell you its not a daily driver), I don’t support out lawing smoking but it should be banned from all public places (why? Because it in dangers me as a person sitting next to you), if you want to kill your self by all means puff away but do it out side. Now where as naked boobs and abortions if they hurt any one it’s the person whos shaking the boobs (ya right) or the woman having the abortion… she has to take on the emotional baggage that comes with an abortion, not you! I don’t support it as a birth control method (just unsafe) but if a woman is rapped she should be allowed to have an abortion, if a young woman is seduced by say her father she should be allowed to have an abortion, if a young woman who’s just starting school makes a bad decision (or a condom brakes) she should be allowed to continue her education no have the child and shortly there after become a drain on society, I think a crack addict should be allowed to have an abortion (Actually I think that should be enforced), but now none of these women can in SD… and it’s a social step backwards and it’s a very sad day in SD, and my hopes and thoughts are with the women who need to have it done but now cant.

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Old 03-07-2006, 05:02 PM   #5
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I agree, it's a woman's right to choose what she does with her body!
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Old 03-07-2006, 06:21 PM   #6
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The voters in South Dakota decided they didn't want abortion in their state, and it's not affecting your dad, unless he lives in South Dakota. Why does he care?

Becasue it sets a precedent that other states look at. The idiots haven't figured out that banning it doesn't make it go away. they forget that abortions existed, in pretty large numbers before Roe vs Wade made it legal. It was simply more dangerous. All this crap does is put it back underground where it will be black market and unsafe for the women.

They haven't figured out that "pro Choice" does not mean "abortions are the answer" just that legal options make things safer for those that CHOOSE that option. Choice also exists to not exersize that option.

This decision means that unless giving birth woudl physically harm/kill teh mother, it has to be carried to term, regardless of the other consequences. Meaning that some girl raped by someone that can carry to term without it being life threatening will HAVE to carry to term, even if that causes financial hardship. it means that if two people get together and the guy decides to run off at the last minute, leaving the girl with no suppot, she still has to carry through, even if he is no longer there to support the kid.

Are the idiots that made these decisions going to help people in those situations? of course not. That would cost money and they aren't about to do that, other than pass some retarded moral judgement on the woman in question.

Mary got pregnant from a kid named Tom who said he was in love
He said don't worry about a thing baby doll I'm the man you've been dreamin' of
But three months later he said he won't date her or return her call
And she sweared god damn if I find that man I'm cuttin' off his balls
And then she heads for the clinic and she gets some static walkin' through the doors
They call her a killer, and they call her a sinner, and they call her a whore


God forbid you ever had to walk a mile in her shoes
'Cause then you really might know what it's like to have to choose
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Old 03-07-2006, 06:40 PM   #7
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To find out what happens when you ban abortion, look at some places in Africa or Romania where the U.S. pulled funding because the clinics offered abortion. Banning it will not stop it, just as banning drugs did not stop drug users from using.
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Old 03-07-2006, 06:43 PM   #8
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Becasue it sets a precedent that other states look at. The idiots haven't figured out that banning it doesn't make it go away. they forget that abortions existed, in pretty large numbers before Roe vs Wade made it legal. It was simply more dangerous. All this crap does is put it back underground where it will be black market and unsafe for the women.

They haven't figured out that "pro Choice" does not mean "abortions are the answer" just that legal options make things safer for those that CHOOSE that option. Choice also exists to not exersize that option.

This decision means that unless giving birth woudl physically harm/kill teh mother, it has to be carried to term, regardless of the other consequences. Meaning that some girl raped by someone that can carry to term without it being life threatening will HAVE to carry to term, even if that causes financial hardship. it means that if two people get together and the guy decides to run off at the last minute, leaving the girl with no suppot, she still has to carry through, even if he is no longer there to support the kid.

Are the idiots that made these decisions going to help people in those situations? of course not. That would cost money and they aren't about to do that, other than pass some retarded moral judgement on the woman in question.

Mary got pregnant from a kid named Tom who said he was in love
He said don't worry about a thing baby doll I'm the man you've been dreamin' of
But three months later he said he won't date her or return her call
And she sweared god damn if I find that man I'm cuttin' off his balls
And then she heads for the clinic and she gets some static walkin' through the doors
They call her a killer, and they call her a sinner, and they call her a whore


God forbid you ever had to walk a mile in her shoes
'Cause then you really might know what it's like to have to choose
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Old 03-07-2006, 09:45 PM   #10
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You morons! A woman does have a right to choose! She can choose to go have sex with the guy, but she's gonna have to pay the consequences. An unborn child is a human, just like the rest of us. You don't thionk so? Tell me why not then? What scientific evidence do we have that says an unborn baby isn't human? So, if a fetus is indeed human, is it right to kill one? You tell me. Do you guys think that laws considering the killing of a pregnant woman two murders are very good laws? I don't know if you do or not, but if you do, then you would have to agree that abortion is also wrong! It's the same thing! If a fetus is indeed a living human being, then abortion is murder, that's it. There's no way around it. Now show me that that fetus isn't alive and isnt' human.

BTW, I agree with the other part of your dad's rant, while I wholeheartedly think that such behavoir is extremely immoral and wrong, I don't think the government should be telling people not to do or tell them how to do it.
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Old 03-07-2006, 10:12 PM   #11
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You morons! A woman does have a right to choose! She can choose to go have sex with the guy, but she's gonna have to pay the consequences.
She didn’t choose to get rapped! Name calling isn’t going to win arguments... you'll learn that as you get older.

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An unborn child is a human, just like the rest of us. You don't thionk so? Tell me why not then? What scientific evidence do we have that says an unborn baby isn't human?
A fetus that’s in the first trimester can not live on its own out side the womb... so at that point it is nothing more then a mound of flesh in side a woman... once it can live on its own with out the woman then its a human till then its flesh.

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So, if a fetus is indeed human, is it right to kill one?
Are you for or against the death penalty? Cause if you’re for you can’t use this argument, because by that standard human life is human life.

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You tell me. Do you guys think that laws considering the killing of a pregnant woman two murders are very good laws? I don't know if you do or not, but if you do, then you would have to agree that abortion is also wrong! It's the same thing! If a fetus is indeed a living human being, then abortion is murder, that's it. There's no way around it. Now show me that that fetus isn't alive and isnt' human.
If the woman is in her first trimester that doesn’t usually stick its when the woman is beyond that, that they’ll stick you with it... unless you did something considerably horrible... then they will just stack on as many charges as they can.
If you rip your wife to shreds with a chainsaw and she’s carrying your child, ya they'll stick ya with 2 murders... but if your just driveling down the street and a random woman walks in front of your car they aren’t going to charge you with double vehicular man slaughter.

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BTW, I agree with the other part of your dad's rant, while I wholeheartedly think that such behavoir is extremely immoral and wrong, I don't think the government should be telling people not to do or tell them how to do it.
You can’t agree with one part and not the other... it’s about personal freedoms, which yours,GWBs, the governor of SD, the mayor of GR and unfortunately lots of people in office (not the ones I voted for), religious beliefs are impeding on.
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Old 03-07-2006, 11:15 PM   #12
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You morons! A woman does have a right to choose! She can choose to go have sex with the guy, but she's gonna have to pay the consequences.

YOu really have no clue, do you? Read the lyrics and figure out the facts. Oh, wait, you've never heard of somone being with a partner for a year, getting them pregnant, promising a life together, then leaving, have you? It happens a LOT. Even more than "traditional" rape.

Until you take money out of YOUR pocket to fix THAT situation, you need to STFU about the woman's morality. That's your f*cking double standard: a guy is ok if he has sex everywhere and with anyone, but a girl is a whore who needs to be punished, as she's the ONLY one, in your narrow vision, responsible. Until you FORCE the guy to be responsible, then you need to quit requiring the GIRL to take all the consequences.

Yeah, that frat boy gets his short term girlfriend all liquored up, promises her the moon and a real life, gets her to have sex with him, his condom breaks, she's pregnant, and he splits. But yeah, it's all HER fault. Now, you want to make sure that she can't go to school, can't get a job, has to be a single mom, pay all the bills and cost of raising the kid, because you have some absof*ckinglutly RETARDED sense of morality.

YOU'RE THE MORON! (you started it).
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Old 03-07-2006, 11:30 PM   #13
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YOu really have no clue, do you? Read the lyrics and figure out the facts. Oh, wait, you've never heard of somone being with a partner for a year, getting them pregnant, promising a life together, then leaving, have you? It happens a LOT. Even more than "traditional" rape.

Until you take money out of YOUR pocket to fix THAT situation, you need to STFU about the woman's morality. That's your f*cking double standard: a guy is ok if he has sex everywhere and with anyone, but a girl is a whore who needs to be punished, as she's the ONLY one, in your narrow vision, responsible. Until you FORCE the guy to be responsible, then you need to quit requiring the GIRL to take all the consequences.

Yeah, that frat boy gets his short term girlfriend all liquored up, promises her the moon and a real life, gets her to have sex with him, his condom breaks, she's pregnant, and he splits. But yeah, it's all HER fault. Now, you want to make sure that she can't go to school, can't get a job, has to be a single mom, pay all the bills and cost of raising the kid, because you have some absof*ckinglutly RETARDED sense of morality.

YOU'RE THE MORON! (you started it).

I never really thought Chris and I would have so much in common... but we have very simular thoughts on things... way to go chris.

And Jedi by your standards if a promising med student makes one mistake and gets knocked up by a guy at a party she’s got to drop out and take care of her child... now she cant become a doc and save peoples life’s... what a wonderful trade off... Ill bet that child wont grow up with a mother who resents her.

So Jedi have you had sex yet, what about kissed a girl? By the rules and standards of the catholic church if you’ve made out with a girl then your just as bad as someone who’s had sex out of wed lock (I was told this by my old priest)… so those who are with out sin may cast the first stone… oh I guess your not throwing any rocks are you…
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Old 03-07-2006, 11:32 PM   #14
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Oh...damn

I would have to agree with Chris and Fierokid though, Jedimario the best way to win an argument is to first know what you're talking about and name calling really only gets you steps backwards
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I'll be damned if I allow ANYONE tell me what I can and cannot do with my body, especially the government. Besides, there is a little thing called separation of church and state.
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