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Old 03-25-2004, 05:26 PM   #1
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I pose this to any and everbody

I have a 1987 Ford Escort-GT.
With the HO 1.9L enginge.
It's a pretty realiable car.... But i'd like to keep it up and make some modifications to it. It was worth about a grand when I bought it, but I only had to pay $450 bucks for it. So as you could imagine... I could pretty much do anything with this car.

Question: Does anyone know anyting about swithching a car from from wheel drive to rear wheel drive.

If it is possible to switch that I would afteward like to swap out my enginge and put the biggest bored out engine I could fit in there.

Please....Any comments. Suggestions.... Advice.
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Old 03-25-2004, 05:35 PM   #2
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I have a 1987 Ford Escort-GT.
With the HO 1.9L enginge.
It's a pretty realiable car.... But i'd like to keep it up and make some modifications to it. It was worth about a grand when I bought it, but I only had to pay $450 bucks for it. So as you could imagine... I could pretty much do anything with this car.

Question: Does anyone know anyting about swithching a car from from wheel drive to rear wheel drive.

If it is possible to switch that I would afteward like to swap out my enginge and put the biggest bored out engine I could fit in there.

Please....Any comments. Suggestions.... Advice.
Sure. How good are your fabrication skills. All you need to do is build a super structure that will allow you to mount the engine/transmission assembly, the rear axle and make it strong enough to handle the additional power and weight of the new drivetrain. Let's not forget little things like moving the steering rack for clearance, upgradng the front suspension to carry the added weight, upgrading the braking system and rewiring everything under the hood. Let's see what have I forgotten... a whole bunch of stuff but I think you get my point.

Let me ask you a question now. Did you give the "conversion" any serious thought before typing your post or is this just another one of those "gee whiz, that sounds cool" kind of things. I think I already know the answer.
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Old 03-25-2004, 11:27 PM   #3
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Sure. How good are your fabrication skills. All you need to do is build a super structure that will allow you to mount the engine/transmission assembly, the rear axle and make it strong enough to handle the additional power and weight of the new drivetrain. Let's not forget little things like moving the steering rack for clearance, upgradng the front suspension to carry the added weight, upgrading the braking system and rewiring everything under the hood. Let's see what have I forgotten... a whole bunch of stuff but I think you get my point.

Let me ask you a question now. Did you give the "conversion" any serious thought before typing your post or is this just another one of those "gee whiz, that sounds cool" kind of things. I think I already know the answer.

vwhobo, this is one of those kinds of things that car guys talk about when sitting atround the garage together after an evening of wenching on cars. There's a certain air of "what if?" about it that's simoply fun to do. Most of the time, nothing ever comes of it, but occasionally some clever person will actually up and BUILD something like this in their garge for the fun of it.

Instantly dismissing the discussion of it AND the person bringing it up because you don't think it's "well thought out enough" is, quite frankly, mean. There's no need to be adversarial right out of the box.

One of the competitors in the Grassroots Motorsports Chllenge built a mid engine Festiva for cheap using a Taurus SHO driveline, patterned after the SHOGun, but done in a garage. There's a guy there that built a Supra suspension into his early Mustang, for cheap, out of a garage conversation like this.

This car came from a simple "what if" conversation:




ys, it'sa mid engine Civic with a Legend V6 in it.

I've got a million ideas like this. Talking about them is fun. Yes, there's a lot to them if you decide to actually do it, but be conversational, not adversarial about it!
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Old 03-25-2004, 11:42 PM   #4
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vwhobo, this is one of those kinds of things that car guys talk about when sitting atround the garage together after an evening of wenching on cars. There's a certain air of "what if?" about it that's simoply fun to do. Most of the time, nothing ever comes of it, but occasionally some clever person will actually up and BUILD something like this in their garge for the fun of it.

Instantly dismissing the discussion of it AND the person bringing it up because you don't think it's "well thought out enough" is, quite frankly, mean. There's no need to be adversarial right out of the box.

One of the competitors in the Grassroots Motorsports Chllenge built a mid engine Festiva for cheap using a Taurus SHO driveline, patterned after the SHOGun, but done in a garage. There's a guy there that built a Supra suspension into his early Mustang, for cheap, out of a garage conversation like this.

I've got a million ideas like this. Talking about them is fun. Yes, there's a lot to them if you decide to actually do it, but be conversational, not adversarial about it!
Can't disagree with what you've said except... I can assure you I've spent just as much or more of my life around cars, building them and bench racing. I'm sure you can tell by listening to someone if they have any clue as to what they're talking about or not. I have personally made plans with many people who do know for some wild and crazy creations, some of which were built but most were not for one reason or the other. However, when a person says something like "I would afteward like to swap out my enginge and put the biggest bored out engine I could fit in there" you, or at least I, can tell they just don't have the proverbial clue.

So where does that leave us. Personally I'm going with my gut instinct and not touching it from this point on. You on the other hand can persue this build to the fullest. I suggest you spend your time designing it and pontificating online with your new friend. The more time the better. Then, when the person and the subject are completely forgotten you'll understand the futility of dealing with people like that online. Then the next time you see a post like his, you'll answer like I did.
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Old 03-26-2004, 12:19 AM   #5
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I'd just like to give my on this one. vwhobo's first post in this thread just gave V8rider something to think about. That something being whether the complete answer to his question is over his head or not.

Like with ENiGmA's questions, you have to gauge what level of detail to go into is best if you're going to answer.

This makes me think of the time when I replied to someone's question on all the modifications possible to do to a Skyline engine
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I'm not sure your question was answered. Yes,it is possible.If you have the money,time and skill most ideas can be within your reach. Watcha got?
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Old 03-26-2004, 03:11 PM   #7
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So where does that leave us. Personally I'm going with my gut instinct and not touching it from this point on. You on the other hand can persue this build to the fullest. I suggest you spend your time designing it and pontificating online with your new friend.

Dude, the point is, instead of being adversarial, and saying basically, "I dont' think you've thought it through enough, and I'm not going to build it for you," you could engage in a little "what if" bull session. It doesn't commit you to BUILDING the ****ing thing for him.. Sheesh! You have some bizzare sense of responsibility if you think responding with a, "well, you cauld either turn the engine 90 degrees, and run a different trans and fab in a rear suspension, or you could move the entire FWD drivetrain to the rear seat area and fab up som way of making it work." in any way uses up "valuable time" OR commits you to designing it and building it for him.

I mean, you spent enough time thinking the worst of this guy from ONE comment, and then typing up a big reply to WHY you thought responding would be a waste of time...

If I say, "well, look at what Ford did in having Kugel Komponents make teh kit to bolt a V8 and RWD drivetrain into the Focus," I gave him something to think about, maybe some encouragement, and didn't commit myself to a goddamn thing other than 30 seconds of "what if" talk. Now how hard was that?
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Old 03-26-2004, 05:49 PM   #8
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Dude, the point is, instead of being adversarial, and saying basically, "I dont' think you've thought it through enough, and I'm not going to build it for you," you could engage in a little "what if" bull session. It doesn't commit you to BUILDING the ****ing thing for him.. Sheesh! You have some bizzare sense of responsibility if you think responding with a, "well, you cauld either turn the engine 90 degrees, and run a different trans and fab in a rear suspension, or you could move the entire FWD drivetrain to the rear seat area and fab up som way of making it work." in any way uses up "valuable time" OR commits you to designing it and building it for him.

I mean, you spent enough time thinking the worst of this guy from ONE comment, and then typing up a big reply to WHY you thought responding would be a waste of time...

If I say, "well, look at what Ford did in having Kugel Komponents make teh kit to bolt a V8 and RWD drivetrain into the Focus," I gave him something to think about, maybe some encouragement, and didn't commit myself to a goddamn thing other than 30 seconds of "what if" talk. Now how hard was that?
Well not exactly you moron but the truth has never stopped you from running your mouth before, why should it now. Yes, in the end I did somewhat dismiss him and his idea, but I also briefly touched on some of the things that he'll need to do to pull off this conversion. If you were as competent at reading as you are at jumping to conclusions you could see the bulk of my post covered areas he needs to consider.

You on the other hand have added nothing to this thread or helped him in any way. The only thing you have accomplished here is you have attacked me because you don't like the way I presented my post. Well here's a newsflash for you Ace, I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHAT YOU THINK. As I said before, if you want to engage him in some "what if" talk, then by all means go right ahead. As for me, I'm old enough to be able to tell with a great deal of accuracy when someone is truly interested and when they're just yapping of the top of their head. He's a yapper. Have a ball.
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Old 03-26-2004, 07:44 PM   #9
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Well not exactly you moron but the truth has never stopped you from running your mouth before, why should it now.

Prove that one, dickface. Did you simply get up on the wrong side of the porcupine this morning, or are you always this rude?

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Yes, in the end I did somewhat dismiss him and his idea, but I also briefly touched on some of the things that he'll need to do to pull off this conversion.

In a manner designed to be insulting. Saying, in effect, "there are lot of things to think about. Since I don't think you did think about them, you're an idiot and your idea is worthless." That was rude and uncalled for, especially on an automotive message board of this nature.

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If you were as competent at reading as you are at jumping to conclusions you could see the bulk of my post covered areas he needs to consider.

The message gets lost in the attitude. the way you stated it, it wasn't advice. If you were as competent at interpesonal relationships as you are at wrenching, you'd KNOW that.

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You on the other hand have added nothing to this thread or helped him in any way.

I gave him encouragement by mentioning other, similarly interesting projects. You can't see it because you're too busy foaming at the mouth.

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The only thing you have accomplished here is you have attacked me because you don't like the way I presented my post. Well here's a newsflash for you Ace, I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHAT YOU THINK.

But you seem to think everyone gives a damn what YOU think, asshole. Get over yourself. Oh, wait, it's ok for you to belittle everyone else, especially people who have just arrived on this board, but if someone tells you that YOU are being rude, then you get all miffed, like you are right now. What a fecking crybaby.
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Old 03-26-2004, 09:34 PM   #10
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Prove that one, dickface. Did you simply get up on the wrong side of the porcupine this morning, or are you always this rude?

In a manner designed to be insulting. Saying, in effect, "there are lot of things to think about. Since I don't think you did think about them, you're an idiot and your idea is worthless." That was rude and uncalled for, especially on an automotive message board of this nature.

The message gets lost in the attitude. the way you stated it, it wasn't advice. If you were as competent at interpesonal relationships as you are at wrenching, you'd KNOW that.

I gave him encouragement by mentioning other, similarly interesting projects. You can't see it because you're too busy foaming at the mouth.

But you seem to think everyone gives a damn what YOU think, asshole. Get over yourself. Oh, wait, it's ok for you to belittle everyone else, especially people who have just arrived on this board, but if someone tells you that YOU are being rude, then you get all miffed, like you are right now. What a fecking crybaby.
Bottom line sh*tbag, you have done nothing to improve this thread, you have only sought to argue with me. If you don't like what I have to say, as an American you have the right and privilege not to read it. Go ahead and shut off your computer if it makes you feel better. You are the one who engaged me in this discussion. Nobody asked for your opinion and until you interjected it there was no argument of any kind.

Now, for the third time, if you want to converse with this individual go right ahead. Have fun, it might make for some interesting reading. If you only want to annoy me then do it right and make another list of all the cars you've owned, tell us once again how great you are in your own mind and don't forget to top it of with another one of your dissertations on why if someone has an opinion other than yours it's garbage. And since you like to type so very much, don't forget to add in anything else your (very) little mind can come up with.
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Vwhobo, please stop being such a mean person.

IF you didn't feel this thread was worth your time, you could have just passed it up. Surely your mother once told you, "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all."

So what if the OP doesn't have any clue what he's talking about. You *could* just humor him, and give him a few things to think about. I respect your knowledge on automobiles, but your bad attitude has got to go - you make NO quality contribution to these forums as is.

Think about how you treat people in real life. I'm sure you don't treat people the same as you do on here, else you would have no friends. The people who post on these boards are real people too.
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Yeah, I was about to say the same thing...vwhobo you could of been a lot nicer about it the way you worded what you said made you seem like you were trying to squash any possibility of his thoughts.

I've only been here a few days but you carry an elitest attitude and no one likes a dick.

So stop tryin to act all bad on a internet forum cus I guarantee you wouldn't act like it in real life.
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Old 03-27-2004, 04:30 AM   #14
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Vwhobo, please stop being such a mean person.

IF you didn't feel this thread was worth your time, you could have just passed it up. Surely your mother once told you, "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all."

So what if the OP doesn't have any clue what he's talking about. You *could* just humor him, and give him a few things to think about. I respect your knowledge on automobiles, but your bad attitude has got to go - you make NO quality contribution to these forums as is.

Think about how you treat people in real life. I'm sure you don't treat people the same as you do on here, else you would have no friends. The people who post on these boards are real people too.


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Yeah, I was about to say the same thing...vwhobo you could of been a lot nicer about it the way you worded what you said made you seem like you were trying to squash any possibility of his thoughts.

I've only been here a few days but you carry an elitest attitude and no one likes a dick.

So stop tryin to act all bad on a internet forum cus I guarantee you wouldn't act like it in real life.

You are just two more wannabes who are adding nothing to this thread. You have the same options as ChrisV. While we're at it, please show me the massive contributions you have made to this forum. That's right there are none. I suppose I can sum up my sentiments about what you have to say in two words. Blow me.
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Awww, someones compensating for their lack of balls in real life with their bad-ass mentality on an internet message board. You're a funny ****. Why don't you stop running your mouth on here because I know you wouldn't be doing it if we were talking face to face faggot.
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