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Old 04-04-2006, 09:21 AM   #1
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06 civic, or not 06 civic?

Hi, I'm new but I've run into a problem.
I'm selling my 03 Cavalier for 10k (its like brand new) and I wanted to get a new Honda Civic (the coup). However I have been reading up on them and such and it seems that the power in them are seriosly lacking.
My 2003 Cavalier had a 0-60 time of 7.6-8.0 seconds, the Civic SI has a 0-60 time of 7.2-7.6 seconds. This has me concerned, because I read that the other models have a 0-60 time of 15 seconds! After having the power of my cavalier I don't think I'd enjoy a car that slow. However I'm somewhat perplexed because my Cavalier has 140 hp and the new Civics also have 140 hp, but their acceleration seems terrible. I don't think i'd be able to scrap together enough money to cover 31k (canadain) for the SI so it seems that I'm in trouble.
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Old 04-04-2006, 01:06 PM   #2
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my sister has a new civic coupe. its a five spd and she loves it. she got the car after she totaled her mustang. Ive driven the thing and it feels fairly responsive (if not quick) it corners well and the brakes are amazing! The clutch and transmission take no effort whatsoever, the clutch is very smooth and "light". I dont know about the 0-60 times, but ive never had a problem getting going. I think the civic is a pretty good car for what it is.
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Old 04-04-2006, 01:15 PM   #3
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Hi, I'm new but I've run into a problem.
I'm selling my 03 Cavalier for 10k (its like brand new) and I wanted to get a new Honda Civic (the coup). However I have been reading up on them and such and it seems that the power in them are seriosly lacking.
My 2003 Cavalier had a 0-60 time of 7.6-8.0 seconds, the Civic SI has a 0-60 time of 7.2-7.6 seconds. This has me concerned, because I read that the other models have a 0-60 time of 15 seconds! After having the power of my cavalier I don't think I'd enjoy a car that slow. However I'm somewhat perplexed because my Cavalier has 140 hp and the new Civics also have 140 hp, but their acceleration seems terrible. I don't think i'd be able to scrap together enough money to cover 31k (canadain) for the SI so it seems that I'm in trouble.
Comments please, and also post if you like the look of the 06 civic coup

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The new Civic Si's have around 200hp. Im not exactly sure on the 0-60 times on the Civic Si though. But that sounds somwhat right (7.2-7.6 seconds). The 0-60 time would also differ depending on whether you opted for a manuel transmission or automatic too though. The 0-60 times you typed were probably for the automatic model.

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Old 04-04-2006, 05:17 PM   #4
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The new Civic Si's have around 200hp. Im not exactly sure on the 0-60 times on the Civic Si though. But that sounds somwhat right (7.2-7.6 seconds). The 0-60 time would also differ depending on whether you opted for a manuel transmission or automatic too though. The 0-60 times you typed were probably for the automatic model.

Civic Si's only come available in the 6-speed option.
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Old 04-04-2006, 05:19 PM   #5
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Hi, I'm new but I've run into a problem.
I'm selling my 03 Cavalier for 10k (its like brand new) and I wanted to get a new Honda Civic (the coup). However I have been reading up on them and such and it seems that the power in them are seriosly lacking.
My 2003 Cavalier had a 0-60 time of 7.6-8.0 seconds, the Civic SI has a 0-60 time of 7.2-7.6 seconds. This has me concerned, because I read that the other models have a 0-60 time of 15 seconds! After having the power of my cavalier I don't think I'd enjoy a car that slow. However I'm somewhat perplexed because my Cavalier has 140 hp and the new Civics also have 140 hp, but their acceleration seems terrible. I don't think i'd be able to scrap together enough money to cover 31k (canadain) for the SI so it seems that I'm in trouble.
Comments please, and also post if you like the look of the 06 civic coup

Thanks.

Dont pay attention to 0-60 times.

I guarentee you the Civic SI is MUCH QUICKER than your Cavalier. It's not even a contest.

The Civic DX/LX/EX are pretty zippy too, nothing spectacular but you wont be losing any power over your Cavalier. Should be about as quick. You need to go out and test drive one to find out, that's the best way.

I drove an EX-5spd coupe w/HFP kit on it and it was really fun to drive for a non-SI Civic.
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Old 04-04-2006, 08:48 PM   #6
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Hi, I'm new but I've run into a problem.
I'm selling my 03 Cavalier for 10k (its like brand new) and I wanted to get a new Honda Civic (the coup). However I have been reading up on them and such and it seems that the power in them are seriosly lacking.
My 2003 Cavalier had a 0-60 time of 7.6-8.0 seconds, the Civic SI has a 0-60 time of 7.2-7.6 seconds. This has me concerned, because I read that the other models have a 0-60 time of 15 seconds! After having the power of my cavalier I don't think I'd enjoy a car that slow. However I'm somewhat perplexed because my Cavalier has 140 hp and the new Civics also have 140 hp, but their acceleration seems terrible. I don't think i'd be able to scrap together enough money to cover 31k (canadain) for the SI so it seems that I'm in trouble.
Comments please, and also post if you like the look of the 06 civic coup

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As far as the other models having a 0-60 time of 15 seconds, you're either looking at the 1/4 mile time, or the 0-60 of a hybrid. I've heard some people say that the Civic Si was under-rated at 197 hp, but don't know if there is any validity to those claims. I am sure that it will be faster than you Cavvy.

Your best bet is to actually test drive one, instead of asking a bunch of people with little/no expieriance with the car. I personally don't love or hate the styling of the new Civic, but why do you care if other people like the styling? Do you like it?
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Old 04-04-2006, 10:30 PM   #7
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As far as the other models having a 0-60 time of 15 seconds, you're either looking at the 1/4 mile time, or the 0-60 of a hybrid. I've heard some people say that the Civic Si was under-rated at 197 hp, but don't know if there is any validity to those claims. I am sure that it will be faster than you Cavvy.

Your best bet is to actually test drive one, instead of asking a bunch of people with little/no expieriance with the car. I personally don't love or hate the styling of the new Civic, but why do you care if other people like the styling? Do you like it?

The Civic SI is SEVERELY underrated at 197hp.
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The Civic SI is SEVERELY underrated at 197hp.
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"The lowest curve, 197.9 hub hp, was recorded in completely stock trim after a few runs. We think this is more representative of what our car will do. The next run, 204 hub hp, was recorded with a little cool down. Note that the biggest difference occurs from 7500 rpm on up. The final run of 209 hp was recorded with the airbox cover off (note the bottom end losses). While the car gets much noisier and loses the refined growl of the stock intake system, the 5+ hp gain indicates that an intake system will probably be able to pick up some noticeable power (do not drive with the cover off, with the hood closed, you'll kill power by ingesting hot air from the engine bay)."

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"The lowest curve, 197.9 hub hp, was recorded in completely stock trim after a few runs. We think this is more representative of what our car will do. The next run, 204 hub hp, was recorded with a little cool down. Note that the biggest difference occurs from 7500 rpm on up. The final run of 209 hp was recorded with the airbox cover off (note the bottom end losses). While the car gets much noisier and loses the refined growl of the stock intake system, the 5+ hp gain indicates that an intake system will probably be able to pick up some noticeable power (do not drive with the cover off, with the hood closed, you'll kill power by ingesting hot air from the engine bay)."

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Dont pay attention to 0-60 times.

I guarentee you the Civic SI is MUCH QUICKER than your Cavalier. It's not even a contest.

Hahaha, I love it. "Dont pay attention to recorded times, I just KNOW thats its quicker!"

Funny stuff. I guess your beloved SI has no low end power. Good thing most people go by 1/4 mile times!
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What is "hub" horsepower?

Horsepower that's measured at the hub (Wheel hubs). They use this on dynapacks. It has less of a loss than a dynojet because it doesnt include the wheels/tires in the test. Typically I have found it adds about 5-7 horsepower over a dynojet reult for the SI. According to their dyno runs, the SI is slashing out at least 220hp at the crank.
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Hahaha, I love it. "Dont pay attention to recorded times, I just KNOW thats its quicker!"

Funny stuff. I guess your beloved SI has no low end power. Good thing most people go by 1/4 mile times!

I said dont pay attention to 0-60, where did I say "recorded times". I said this because 0-60 is such an artifical number, who cares about 0-60? Do you race 0-60mph?

Plus, it seems I've found a huge pluthora of different figure for different vehicles. In this case the SI, I've seen as quick as 6.6-6.8 and as slow as 7.7-7.9. PRetty wide range, but who cares? I always just pay attention to 1/4 miles.

Why do people care about all this low end power in a freaking sport compact? When you want to push it performance wise do you stay in the 2000-3000rpm range? Or do you keep it as close to the peaks as possible?

Even in traffic when you want to pass someone it has enough power, especially when I drove one!

Why would you WANT all that torque in a FWD sport compact? Ever heard of TORQUE STEER?

Try again boomba.
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Old 04-05-2006, 05:50 AM   #15
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Thanks a bunch! All your comments have been very informative and helpful, I'm going to go test drive it tommorow and probably buy it if it is all I've thought of it to be!
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