Why start two threads?...
Here are my two cents: I'm tired of using decades of experience on the track and on the street to argue with idiot kids that only have theories and have only driven mom's automatic minivan. I've posted novels on it, backed up with reams of data, only to get this same kind of "I have no experience, I've never done it, so I don't believe you" crap.
Do those LOOK "very unsmooth?" Do you even HAVE any experience with cars like that?
I've raced high powered cars with automatics, and in fact, the more torque and power a car has, the more fun it is and the more control over the car itself with an automatic, vs a manual. Small engine cars that need to rev and have narrow powerbands need manuals with lots of matched gears.
I love a good manual, and have only bought cars new wiith manuals, and am going through a bunch of headache (as posted in my Comet thread) to put a manual trans in my Comet (it had an autoamtic, stock). But I know exactly how good automatics can be, and that they do have a lot of benefits when tuned properly. And that in some cars, they can be the better choice.
I prefer manual transmissions in small engine car (like the one in my sig). I prefer built automatics in large engine cars, turbo cars, luxury cars, and things like my motorhome. Every car I've bought new has had a manual trans. I like a good manual trans. But I'm not in "more control" of the car because of it. Nor is a car more fun due to having to shift it myself. A car is fun from how agile it is, how many G forces it pulls in any direction. How responsive it is.
The car in my sig is fun. My SVT was fun. My RX7 V8 was fun. My 460 powered Mustang was fun. my Comet convertible will be fun. My last jaguar XJ6 was fun. the first two on that list were the only ones with manuals. My PT has a manual (because there's nothing good about the mitsubishi sourced automatics that were available in them). And If I get a GT Cruiser, it'll have the Getrag 5 speed because the autostick is unproven, and I don't trust the small Chrysler automatics yet (other wise the turbo engine and the autostick should be a good combo)
As I said, I prefer good manual transmisions. I like the solid feel of a good shifter as you change gears. But I know better than to think it affords me any more control over the car than any other form of changing gears. And it's not a requirement for me to like, drive, or own a car, as I've had enough fun cars that were equipped with automatics. I also don't like poorly engineered or poorly operating transmissions of EITHER sort. But that's not enough to make me hate a car or not drive it, either.
Who posted those?
I prefer manual...it's more involving BUT before I say anything else, I've probably driven a manual for a total of 5 hours
a thread with some good arguments...wait, here's
another one lol.
Also, is steptronic like DSG? And is DSG the one with paddle shifters? Those seem pretty annoying (never actually driven one though lol).