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Old 10-07-2006, 05:28 AM   #1
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What Happened to Pop-Up Headlights?

I was looking at a picture of the new Supra in Road and Track, and said to myself, 'The front looks ugly.' But then, virtually all cars' fronts look ugly now. I don't think any cars have pop-up headlights anymore. There's no way that that is a design decision - some designers would choose pop-up headlights just because it is different. So it must be a government regulation. What is it, and can we change it? These endlessly ugly fronts bug me.
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Old 10-07-2006, 05:35 AM   #2
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I like pop-up headlights too (At least on some cars)...Here's what I found, the RX-7 (Ceased production in 2002) had them, same as the Firebird (Also 2002), the C5 (2004), the NSX (2002), Esprit (2004)...Here's why:
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]it has fallen out of favour, owing in large part to the added cost, weight, and complexity, and reliability problems with the mechanisms in older cars. Internationalized ECE auto safety regulations have also recently incorporated pedestrian-protection provisions restricting protuberances from car bodies, making it more difficult and expensive to design compliant pop-up headlamps.

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Old 10-07-2006, 05:44 AM   #3
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There's a reason why most cars no longer have them.
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Old 10-07-2006, 06:46 AM   #4
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I like pop-up headlights too (At least on some cars)...Here's what I found, the RX-7 (Ceased production in 2002) had them, same as the Firebird (Also 2002), the C5 (2004), the NSX (2002), Esprit (2004)...]
Don't forget late 80s Accords, C4 and C5 Corvettes, and 1st gen Miatas.
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Old 10-07-2006, 06:49 AM   #5
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Don't forget late 80s Accords, C4 and C5 Corvettes, and 1st gen Miatas.
There was a list on Wikipedia but I was just naming the latest cars I found in that list lol...Miatas had pop-up headlights? I just realized that lol.
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Old 10-07-2006, 07:30 AM   #6
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I might as well tell a funny pop-up headlight story. I used to have a 1988 Celica GT-S. I still lived at home. I would park my car as close as possible to the bay window, and my father would complain and say it was too close, I might hit the house. Once I got in the car at night and turned on the headlights. The pop-ups hit the bottom of the bay window before going all the way up. Shoot! I turned the lights off hoping I didn't damage anything. But the lights wouldn't go down without going all the way up. Double shoot! So I got out to push down on the front of the car to make room for the lights to go all the way up. But I'm light and couldn't get it to go down enough. So I went inside to ask my father to do it, wondering if he would be madder about the window or about the implication that he was fat. It was one of those, "Dad, don't be mad, but..." moments.
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Old 10-07-2006, 07:37 AM   #7
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I like pop-up headlights too (At least on some cars)...Here's what I found, the RX-7 (Ceased production in 2002) had them, same as the Firebird (Also 2002), the C5 (2004), the NSX (2002), Esprit (2004)...Here's why:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_headlights
Cool. I think some manufacturers would decide their car could handle the extra weight/cost. After all, they probably always added weight and cost, but some cars always still had them. Now, none. I think the ECE regulation mentioned was probably the death blow. I'd love to see the return of pop-up headlights to some cars. The Vette's looked much better with them, and the mechanism was cool - they didn't just go up through an approx. 90 degree arc. They spun around the other way through about a 200 degree arc.
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Old 10-07-2006, 01:32 PM   #8
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I think pop-up headlights are too out dated these days, I think cars look better without them! Also, if a headlight bulb blew in first generation MX-5's, you had to change the whole unit if memory serves me!
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Old 10-07-2006, 02:49 PM   #9
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I might as well tell a funny pop-up headlight story. I used to have a 1988 Celica GT-S. I still lived at home. I would park my car as close as possible to the bay window, and my father would complain and say it was too close, I might hit the house. Once I got in the car at night and turned on the headlights. The pop-ups hit the bottom of the bay window before going all the way up. Shoot! I turned the lights off hoping I didn't damage anything. But the lights wouldn't go down without going all the way up. Double shoot! So I got out to push down on the front of the car to make room for the lights to go all the way up. But I'm light and couldn't get it to go down enough. So I went inside to ask my father to do it, wondering if he would be madder about the window or about the implication that he was fat. It was one of those, "Dad, don't be mad, but..." moments.

Heres an idea - back the car up.
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Old 10-07-2006, 03:53 PM   #10
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I was looking at a picture of the new Supra in Road and Track, and said to myself, 'The front looks ugly.' But then, virtually all cars' fronts look ugly now. I don't think any cars have pop-up headlights anymore. There's no way that that is a design decision - some designers would choose pop-up headlights just because it is different. So it must be a government regulation. What is it, and can we change it? These endlessly ugly fronts bug me.
I changed mine for flush headlights
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Old 10-07-2006, 04:32 PM   #11
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I think pop-up headlights are too out dated these days, I think cars look better without them! Also, if a headlight bulb blew in first generation MX-5's, you had to change the whole unit if memory serves me!
A lot of cars look better without pop-up headlights, but then there's just a few that look better and stand out with them.
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Old 10-07-2006, 04:59 PM   #12
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Heres an idea - back the car up.
Wow, what incredible, outside the box thinking! I should have thought of that!
It was wedged under the bay window, which also had a piece that was on the outer edge, between where the headlights were jammed and the rest of the car, that was lower than the base of the window. Backing up would/could have damaged the window. That was sorta the point...
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Old 10-07-2006, 08:20 PM   #13
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Heres an idea - back the car up.

Yea that was a pretty stupid comment.
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Old 10-07-2006, 08:46 PM   #14
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To me cars with pop up headlights kind of all look the same, at least when the lights are off. Headlights give the car a distinct look, If you can't see them, then everything looks kind of like a C4 Corvette, at least to me.
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Old 10-08-2006, 12:01 AM   #15
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