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Old 12-15-2006, 11:11 AM   #16
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I found one for my boxster and I think the price says it's a POS but I have no way of telling. And yes I read your topic DSMer.

http://www.gmpperformance.com/index....ail&PID=141376


Mind you, this is the ONLY one I've been able to find for a 987.


It shows a tube and all, but look at the pic, it says, "utilizes OEM air feed pipe..."


I can't tell if this is garbage or not. Price seems low for porsche parts, especially one presumably made in low volumes, considering there are not a lot of 987s on the road.

It is a pipe with an airfilter on the end. As long as all the proper sensors and hoses connect to the tube then you'll be fine. Provided that it is installed correctly. I don't care if you drive a Civic or a Pagani Zonda. Its an intake, and you can't engineering a pipe with a air filter any moreso than it has allready been done.

If you pay $200+ bucks for any basic unit then you are just ripping yourself off. Intakes don't provide a vast ammount of performance gain, so this shouldn't be an area that you are greatly focusing on.
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Old 12-15-2006, 04:22 PM   #17
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Yeah this product is definitely questionable and looks like a piece of junk, as most intakes probably are.

I am just gonna buy the fabspeed maxflo muffler and maxflo headers

http://www.fabspeed.com/cayman.html
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Old 12-15-2006, 11:28 PM   #18
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Yeah this product is definitely questionable and looks like a piece of junk, as most intakes probably are.

I am just gonna buy the fabspeed maxflo muffler and maxflo headers

http://www.fabspeed.com/cayman.html

Don't spread misinformation that you are have no proof to validate. You simply just do not know what you are talking about. Wich is exactly how comapnies like Fabspeed can get you to buy headers that cost $1500+. Not that they are not good headers, they just are not made out of $1500 T304 stainless steel.

My father has owned quite a few Porshce's and is actually looking to buy a Boxter S. Never once has he bought some fancy, polished exhaust from a company. Why? Because he's a Master Mechanic and he knows better. He had them built or built them himself and posted similiar or even better performance numbers.

Most intakes are not "pieces of junk". They all do the same thing, regardless to if your intake is made of stainless steel or pvc. It's a tube that allows air to be filtered into the engine. If you want to debate the quality of the filter that is a different story. Spend good money on filters, not in the tube itself.
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Old 12-16-2006, 09:05 PM   #19
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just go get a custom exhaust made for your car... it will cost less than $300. The intake shouldn't cost more than 50 with filter shouldn't cost more than $50. It's not like you are going to gain 20hp or anything.. Maybe a 1 whp gain.
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Old 12-16-2006, 09:12 PM   #20
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Don't spread misinformation that you are have no proof to validate. You simply just do not know what you are talking about. Wich is exactly how comapnies like Fabspeed can get you to buy headers that cost $1500+. Not that they are not good headers, they just are not made out of $1500 T304 stainless steel.

My father has owned quite a few Porshce's and is actually looking to buy a Boxter S. Never once has he bought some fancy, polished exhaust from a company. Why? Because he's a Master Mechanic and he knows better. He had them built or built them himself and posted similiar or even better performance numbers.

Most intakes are not "pieces of junk". They all do the same thing, regardless to if your intake is made of stainless steel or pvc. It's a tube that allows air to be filtered into the engine. If you want to debate the quality of the filter that is a different story. Spend good money on filters, not in the tube itself.

Look, I know it's not WORTH 1500. I also know that it's one of the only ones available for a 987 and that they charge a huge premium for the fact that A. it's a porsche and B. they probably don't sell a ton of them to make up for their input costs, since there aren't tons of 987 owners and especially not many that want to do any modding.

As for the intake, I meant the amount of money I'd be spending for the product, which really doesn't do anything since it uses my current intake, is not worth it.

As for getting a custom one made, I didn't know you could do that without spending tons of $$. I'm not looking to spend tons.

I'm looking for somewhere between a 5-10hp gain and even with 10 I know I would be pushing it.
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Old 12-16-2006, 10:15 PM   #21
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Look, I know it's not WORTH 1500. I also know that it's one of the only ones available for a 987 and that they charge a huge premium for the fact that A. it's a porsche and B. they probably don't sell a ton of them to make up for their input costs, since there aren't tons of 987 owners and especially not many that want to do any modding.

As for the intake, I meant the amount of money I'd be spending for the product, which really doesn't do anything since it uses my current intake, is not worth it.

As for getting a custom one made, I didn't know you could do that without spending tons of $$. I'm not looking to spend tons.

I'm looking for somewhere between a 5-10hp gain and even with 10 I know I would be pushing it.


It's WORTh what someone is willing to pay for it. Just because YOU wouldn't pay that much for it doesn't mean that it isn't WORTH 1500$ to anyone, it just isn't to you. For someone who might own one of those cars, and not be capable of fabricating one themselves, this system may be worth it to them.


...However I don't see how the tip below it is worth 500% to anyone. I mean come one, 500$ for a polished tip?
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Old 12-16-2006, 10:43 PM   #22
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F*ck that, he should just get a Gallardo . A swap, nitrous setup, or a turbo are big projects that cost big bucks compared to an intake. You're more or less are telling somebody to get a telescope instead of glasses.
If you dont believe me, go to 7thgencivic dot com, and ask them see what thety say.
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Old 12-17-2006, 12:05 AM   #23
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If you dont believe me, go to 7thgencivic dot com, and ask them see what thety say.
What are you saying? That an intake won't benefit the car as much as a turbo or nitrous? Yeah, everyone knows that. However, they're not even close to being in the same price range. Also, it is comlete overkill for what he suggests he wants. Hence my "You're telling a man who needs glasses to get a telescope" comment.
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Old 12-17-2006, 06:42 AM   #24
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Look, I know it's not WORTH 1500. I also know that it's one of the only ones available for a 987 and that they charge a huge premium for the fact that A. it's a porsche and B. they probably don't sell a ton of them to make up for their input costs, since there aren't tons of 987 owners and especially not many that want to do any modding.

The Boxster (or 987 as you like to call it) is built on the same platform as the Cayman and those have been selling like hotcakes. They have even outsold the Boxster, which has probably been their number one selling car. I'd like to believe that quite a few people are driving them and modifying them.


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As for the intake, I meant the amount of money I'd be spending for the product, which really doesn't do anything since it uses my current intake, is not worth it.

I don't understand what this means. If you buy an intake, it eliminates the factory intake box. If you buy a better, larger filter it gives more surface space to induct air. I think you may be confused.

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As for getting a custom one made, I didn't know you could do that without spending tons of $$. I'm not looking to spend tons.
Where do you think Fabspeed got the idea to make parts for exotic cars? Its cheaper to do these things from raw materials if you posses the skills. I highly doubt any exhaust shop would charge you $1500 for a custom exhaust on your Boxster. It wouldn't require any more complicated work than say... a Mustang. In fact the pipes would be significantly shorter.

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I'm looking for somewhere between a 5-10hp gain and even with 10 I know I would be pushing it.
Which is exactly why you shouldn't shell out $2000 for 10HP when you can get it for $500. Speed isn't cheap, but there is a point in time where it becomes to expensive for the amount of power gain.


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...However I don't see how the tip below it is worth 500% to anyone. I mean come one, 500$ for a polished tip?

I agree, but its a Porsche and obviously a lot of Porsche owners are stupid enough to pay those ridiculous prices for something that simple. Like you said, its not what is worth to one informed intelligent person. Its what its worth to everyone who owns the car, including people who don't know any better.
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Old 12-17-2006, 08:33 AM   #25
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DSMer, you're wrong. They have been selling well but that doesn't mean they sell "like crazy" like civics do or 350z's do, so there probably ISN'T an aftermarket for them anywhere, and I can personally attest to this since I have literally looked everywhere for specific parts for these cars and come up with hardly anything. There is a pretty nice market for 986s, however.

I call it a 987 to distinguish it from the 986 and I know it is the same platform as the cayman which is ALSO a 987 (go figure).

As for the intake, it doesn't seem worth it. Period. How else can I put it? I want to spend my money effectively to gain the most benefits from my costs, that's all, and there is no way to tell how credible this company is, let alone their products.

I didn't know places would make custom exhausts for you that were effective, (meaning better than OEM) that's all.


PYTHIAS: No shit it's worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. I am referring to the input cost proportionate to the selling cost. Their input cost was probably nowhere near 1500 bucks, which essentially means the consumer is getting ripped off, like a lot of things in life. Think about CDs for examples...
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PYTHIAS: No shit it's worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. I am referring to the input cost proportionate to the selling cost. Their input cost was probably nowhere near 1500 bucks, which essentially means the consumer is getting ripped off, like a lot of things in life. Think about CDs for examples...

Well now, we didn't say that at first now did we?
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Didn't think it was necessary

lol So how many miles you got on it yet? Taken any turns at excessive speeds?

Also some mods can void warranties, you wouldn't want that.
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lol So how many miles you got on it yet? Taken any turns at excessive speeds?

Also some mods can void warranties, you wouldn't want that.

2200 miles already.

Turns at excessive speeds...yep, this thing can handle.

I haven't gone faster than 98 yet. Haven't had the opportunity to.


I know mods can void warranties. Credible companies make sure their parts do not void warranties.

I will check the warranty for details before I buy anything, though.
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2200 miles already.

Turns at excessive speeds...yep, this thing can handle.

I haven't gone faster than 98 yet. Haven't had the opportunity to.


I know mods can void warranties. Credible companies make sure their parts do not void warranties.

I will check the warranty for details before I buy anything, though.

Thats not exactly true.... any kind of aftermarket modification can possibly void a warranty, regardless of the companies credibility or not. I have a friend who had to wait quite sometime before buying anything for his 05 Mustang Gt, because of the warranty he had and how it was scripted, not because there was not one credible company out there with a nice catback exhaust, it depends on the warranty, not the company's credibility at all.
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