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Old 03-24-2007, 01:02 AM   #31
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Our definitions of raw are not the same...The way I see it, it means torque. The 'Vette has buttloads of torque.

Yeah, we have different definitions.

I consider the Lotus to be raw. I consider the 360 Stradale to be raw. Viper, Mosler...etc.

I do not consider the torque monster Bentley or the 2004 Mercedes-Benz CL 65 AMG to be raw...nor the Continental GT, SLR, or Veyron.
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Old 03-24-2007, 01:04 AM   #32
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Yeah, we have different definitions.

I consider the Lotus to be raw. I consider the 360 Stradale to be raw. Viper, Mosler...etc.

I do not consider the torque monster Bentley or the 2004 Mercedes-Benz CL 65 AMG to be raw...nor the Continental GT, SLR, or Veyron.
You bring up a good point...I guess my definition of raw would depend on the car...Just like muscle cars.
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Old 03-24-2007, 01:12 AM   #33
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Our definitions of raw are not the same...The way I see it, it means torque. The 'Vette has buttloads of torque.

Yes, but it also has traction and stability controls, just like the Ferrari.
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Old 03-24-2007, 01:25 AM   #34
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Yes, but it also has traction and stability controls, just like the Ferrari.
I didn't mean that the wheels would spin when you leave in first, just that it has lots of torque.
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I didn't mean that the wheels would spin when you leave in first, just that it has lots of torque.

Controlled torque. It doesn't feel like the monster you would think it is.
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Controlled torque. It doesn't feel like the monster you would think it is.
Do you mean the torque is controlled through the traction control or by something else (that can't be turned off)?
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Old 03-24-2007, 07:22 PM   #37
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Do you mean the torque is controlled through the traction control or by something else (that can't be turned off)?

Through the traction control. You can make it a beast without the traction control, but that wouldn't be beneficial.
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Old 03-25-2007, 02:20 AM   #38
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Your foolishness if very convenient.

Firstly, who said anything about a f*ckin' Volvo or Europe in general. I don't group car companies according to where they are from. I am talking about Ferrari's reliability and I was talking about Lotus. Two performance car companies...why'd you throw in a completely irrelevant Volvo? To prove your point? What point are you on? Where are you? Did I say Europe? Did you assume? Yes, you did.

Ferrari cars' reliabilty and cost of maintanence is much worst than the Corvette's. Argue that.

What: I believe Ferrari/Lotus reliability to be worse than a Corvette's.
SlipKnot: Dude, you're stupid. A Corvette is not more reliable than a Volvo.

You feel like I'm attacking your "arguement's" reliabilty? You call upon a Volvo. Performance? Ferrari. How convenient. Stay on subject bitch.



Please tell me you don't believe this. Please...please...please.

You are a bottle of stereotype.

MORE FOR YOUR DOLLAR FROM THE FERRARI!!!!!

The Corvette is less than 1/3 the price of the Ferrari...and it performs BETTER. You fool, did you hear me? THE Z06 OUTPERFORMS THE FERRARI F430. The only time the F430 has slightly out-performed the Z06 in comparison tests is when the Ferrari was tested with race-spec tires.

The Corvette's best description is "best-bang-for-buck".

Ferrari, Porsche and the like clearly add a little "rape" to their price tags.


But whatever. Check their Nurburing run times...if that is how it is spelled. How many Ferraris can run the European track of God faster than the Z06's 7:43?

Check out the cost to maintain this Ferrari.
http://www.sportscarmarket.com/articles/archives/939

Well, yes, I did assume that you were dogging all European cars. So that would be my mistake.
But, to counter your claims on reliability, my dads Alfa motor is the Ferrari Dino V6 in essence. Meaning that Ferraris have good reliability. The only reason you're giving them a bad rap is because you only see the ones that don't get driven being broken down. Well, thats bullshit, because if you buy a car and don't drive it like its meant to be, then yes, the parts will get weak, and it will eat itself. Maybe you should look at statistics or something. I don't know. But Ferraris that get driven like they're supposed to be are the ones that stay together. And thats true with any car. No matter what the automaker.
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Old 03-25-2007, 04:28 AM   #39
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you're dads volvo doesnt really represent ferrari though
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people really can't drive a Ferrari like its meant to be driven. But most just get waxed so that doesn't help i guess.

i suppose that's every poor man's biggest pet peeve in the car world. Those who buy half a million dollar cars don't drive them that much. Hell, if i made the cars it would piss me off even more.
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Let's examine that, shall we?

The Ferrari F430 has a 4.3L V8, which makes 490 hp and 343 ft-lbs.
The Corvette Z06 has a 7.0L V8, which makes 505 hp and 470 ft-lbs.

The "dinosaur" nets 16/26 mpg, whereas your "FAR superior" Ferrari V8 nets a pathetic 11/15 mpg. Who's superior here?


Probably has more to do w/ gearing than the engine itself... no?
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But whatever. Check their Nurburing run times...if that is how it is spelled. How many Ferraris can run the European track of God faster than the Z06's 7:43?
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That's actually the same time the 911 gt3 ran
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Probably has more to do w/ gearing than the engine itself... no?

The Z06 runs the quarter .16 seconds slower. If the Corvette had the Ferrari's gearing, it would probably dip into the 11s. It still does Nurburgring faster than most of the best production cars ever made.
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the vette gets great highway mileage because it makes heaps of effortless power

I also believe the viper gets good highway mileage for a similiar reason, that and the fact the final gear is very tall
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you're dads volvo doesnt really represent ferrari though
My dad has an Alfa Romeo 164L. Owned by Fiat, who also owns Ferrari. It shares the Ferrari Dino V6.
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