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Old 05-06-2004, 09:35 PM   #31
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Sorry if this is gonna be a little off topic, but Q1:which euro companies do you guys think will have a brighter near future? (In terms of sales).

Personaly I think Audi will finally get the success it deserves. It's been making very good cars in the mid-late '90s yet most ppl bought BMWs and Benzes instead just for 'the name'. Q2: Do you guys think this is changing lately?

ps. Is vhooboo gone? I had much respect for this guy (as did many of u) it's sad.
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Old 05-06-2004, 10:31 PM   #32
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Sorry if this is gonna be a little off topic, but Q1:which euro companies do you guys think will have a brighter near future? (In terms of sales).

Personaly I think Audi will finally get the success it deserves. It's been making very good cars in the mid-late '90s yet most ppl bought BMWs and Benzes instead just for 'the name'. Q2: Do you guys think this is changing lately?

ps. Is vhooboo gone? I had much respect for this guy (as did many of u) it's sad.
R.I.P vhooboo. jk

A1: well, french builders have always been at the top of the ranking with VW. New Renault Mégane II is a good product and it's being sold very well (at least in Spain), in spite of its horrible back end.

A2: I don't know what do you refer to. If you mean that people will consider Audi as good as MB or BMW you are right. In fact new Audis are pretty and now they are differentiated from VW and Seat.

Respuesta 1: Bueno, los constructores franceses siempre han estado en lo más alto del ranking junto con VW. El nuevo Renault Mégane II es un buen producto y se está vendiendo muy bien (al menos es España), a pesar de su horrible trasera.

Respuesta 2: No sé a qué te refieres. Si te refieres a que la gente considerará a Audi tan buena como MB o BMW estás en lo cierto. De hecho, los nuevos Audi son bonitos y ahora están diferenciados de los VW y los Seat.
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Old 05-07-2004, 12:19 AM   #33
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shut the f*ck up, StiMan. pimp slap is back!!
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Old 05-07-2004, 02:32 AM   #34
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nah i was just showing you it was back. you didnt get pimp slapped.
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Old 05-08-2004, 01:21 AM   #35
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nah i was just showing you it was back. you didnt get pimp slapped.
Ahh.. good... that happened I think just once... but it was back in the thread in which I was put on probation .... good that it wasnt to me.!
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Old 05-08-2004, 11:26 AM   #36
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Well, as Europe has standardised test for the whole 25 nations were the largest trading block as of last week.

I work for a materials company specialising in balistic protection, we were working with jag thinking about making a armoured S type to compete with the BMW 5 series Protection. He was saying that they have alsorts of problems trying to build the thing in the first place because its based on the lincoln towncar can they couldnt get it to meet more stringent euro crash tests which takes into account pedestrian saftey, and they have to meet rollover and stability targets. Which is why as soon as the stability targets were brought in you couldnt buy a ford explorer for 2 years until they worked out a way to stop it behaving like a washing machine in a spin cycle if you swerve at 40mph.

I think we have to say its horses for courses. American desgined cars work well in the us, and euro ones work well in Europe. very diffrent rd structure. I have never found a round about in the usa as yet. Ive never found a rd long enough in a euro town or city to acomadate the stoplight sytem that the usa uses. I think you americans have to remeber that in terms of population density its a very diffrent ball game over here. Here in jolly old blighty we have ten times more people per sq mile.

60 million in a state the size of oregan. Theres only 280 million of you in the entire 50 states.




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On whos rating system? The US Govement's, Japan's, or Sweden's? In other words, you can take a car from Sweden and by there safety ratings, be blown off the charts. At the same time, bring that car to the US and by our standards be total crap and not safe to jack up quickly.


I wish someone could give me a comparative on the standard differences between the countries and their goverments because I'm lost there
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Old 05-08-2004, 11:48 AM   #37
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Us brits have been some what shaged by our goverment in the 70's on the mass manufacture game. You have to admid you americans really coulndt get enough of our sports cars until then. Were still very good at sports cars. Why are most of the F1, rally, touring car, 4x4, teams based here. As you look at the list of british manufacutres you will find that they are mainly into sports cars.

We have
Ariel
Westfield
Lotus
MG
Ultima
Tiger
MacLaren
Reliant- before you guys take the piss think about the Scimitar, first perfomace estate.
Jaguar race team (people who made the XJ220)
the japs are very good at designing engines but they come here to work on suspention and styleing
Fords GT suspesion and floor pan was designed by guys workin for jag in coventry and the origional GT40 was a Colin Chapman (lotus) desgin. All cuz enzo and henry had a lovers tiff.
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Aston Martin, May be owned by ford but it makes proper britsh aports cars justlike it has for 80 years
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Ginetta
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triumph
TVR- its a TreVoR if people didnt already know
We may not all the companies that origionated here. But if we were all acountants then we would be on public transport because it makes best use of availble resorces. We are good at High performace engineering. Germans are good at making very reliable cars, just like the japs.

So lets all have a VW polo or Nissan micra in the week and drive a TVR at the weekend.
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Old 05-08-2004, 02:51 PM   #38
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yeah cinqyg, roundabouts are quite rare in the USA. there's maybe 2 or 3 in my whole area. i've noticed Massachussetts has a good amount.
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Old 05-08-2004, 06:27 PM   #39
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yeah cinqyg, roundabouts are quite rare in the USA. there's maybe 2 or 3 in my whole area. i've noticed Massachussetts has a good amount.
This is going to sound out-of-place, but Iowa City being the sprawling metropolis that it is has three roundabouts
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This is going to sound out-of-place, but Iowa City being the sprawling metropolis that it is has three roundabouts

is Iowa City a metropolis? i dunno...
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is Iowa City a metropolis? i dunno...
Sure it is.......
IC is not even close. I mean you can drive less than five minutes and end up in a corn field. It is a decent college campus, but I think the population here is like 60,000. (that number includes Bessy the cow and her other bovine friends)
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Sure it is.......
IC is not even close. I mean you can drive less than five minutes and end up in a corn field. It is a decent college campus, but I think the population here is like 60,000. (that number includes Bessy the cow and her other bovine friends)

i see....

i think my Neon came from Iowa City....yeah it did. thats creepy.
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Old 05-09-2004, 03:20 AM   #43
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Us brits have been some what shaged by our goverment in the 70's on the mass manufacture game. You have to admid you americans really coulndt get enough of our sports cars until then. Were still very good at sports cars. Why are most of the F1, rally, touring car, 4x4, teams based here. As you look at the list of british manufacutres you will find that they are mainly into sports cars.

We have
Ariel
Westfield
Lotus
MG
Ultima
Tiger
MacLaren
Reliant- before you guys take the piss think about the Scimitar, first perfomace estate.
Jaguar race team (people who made the XJ220)
the japs are very good at designing engines but they come here to work on suspention and styleing
Fords GT suspesion and floor pan was designed by guys workin for jag in coventry and the origional GT40 was a Colin Chapman (lotus) desgin. All cuz enzo and henry had a lovers tiff.
Pilgrim
NG
Aston Martin, May be owned by ford but it makes proper britsh aports cars justlike it has for 80 years
Jensen
Marcos
Ginetta
noble
triumph
TVR- its a TreVoR if people didnt already know
We may not all the companies that origionated here. But if we were all acountants then we would be on public transport because it makes best use of availble resorces. We are good at High performace engineering. Germans are good at making very reliable cars, just like the japs.

So lets all have a VW polo or Nissan micra in the week and drive a TVR at the weekend.
The ones I know of:
Lotus: Owned by Ford or Chevy cant remember which... it is with Vauxhall in that
MG: the newest one I know of in the US is 20 yrs old.
MacLaren: Aint the quickest stock car anymore... not interested
Jaguar: owned by Ford
Ford GT: I could car less
Aston Martin: owned by Ford
Noble: not here
Triumph: maybe a cycle or two over here...
TVR: Not over here
Ya... not interested...
I have heard that most english cars are not reliable... is that true?
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Yes, that's very true. Here's a prime example, Rover's K-Series engine, all of them, from 1.4litre - 2.0litre were probably the most unreliable engine ever. The really strange thing is, that these engines were one of the most comonly used units, I mean, they were used in all Rover branded cars from the early '90's through to the present day. They were used in the Rover 200 - 800 series and all new models for exampl, the Rover 25 - 75, Land Rover Freelander, Lotus Elise (Euro spec only), Lotus or Caterham7's and some Aerial Atom's..oh, and Westfields too. There were probably loads more, I just cant think right now. Anyway, my point is, that these engines are sooo unreliable, It has been known to suffer head gasket problems from as early on as 10,000 miles and over heating is also a big issue (often the reason, but not always, for head gasket failer). So, that's Rovers for ya (and also why I hate them lol). TVR are also very unreliable cars
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well MG is back in the usa, lotus is actually owned by proton, they just make the VX220, which is a GM creation, well not really true, they just paid for lotus to create it.

I think we are missin the point here in terms of sports cars. a proper sports car you shouldnt drive it to work or take it shopping, it should be about the pursute of pleasure. if you want a rag top "sports car" then go buy a MX5 and become middle aged mother trying to regain her youth.

I think that we should really concentrate our minds on a car that we can afford to buy and run with out being a pop or porn star, doesnt really mtter if its the fastest. may be we should put a budget cap on it. say £26k, $45k US, €40k.

for people who make a concious effort to save up to buy there new car.

and may be another one set at £8k, $15k, €12k for a used car.

because how many people on the list can say honestly they can afford a konisegg for example or a ferarri. More to the point who can afford to maintain an itallian stallion?

What does it matter who owns them, deciding that is merly how the company pays tax. lets look at it, take jag for example. jaguar cars ltd is wholey ownd by ford inc, ford is mainly owned by pension companies, pension companies if they are mutual are owend by u and i and we could be from azabajan to zambia. just the same if it isnt its then owend by the share holders who are from anywere. All the owenership thing is where it gets taxed. In most cases it will get taxed in the country where the profits are made, then may be less or may be more on the country of prime ownership. If your bothered who owns them then become a stockbroker. Im more bothered about what cars they make and how they perform thats why im a car enthusiast.
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