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Old 03-18-2008, 10:50 PM   #31
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I have an 84 z camaro, when u say notchy, do you mean notchy like that (it is kind of annoying?), it's the t5 world class. Is that really a term used in the magazine world? (i don't read a lot of car magazines, but i always wondered if other people didn't like the feel of those shifters as well). I think my escort shifts better than that thing.
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Old 03-18-2008, 11:31 PM   #32
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I have an 84 z camaro, when u say notchy, do you mean notchy like that (it is kind of annoying?), it's the t5 world class. Is that really a term used in the magazine world? (i don't read a lot of car magazines, but i always wondered if other people didn't like the feel of those shifters as well). I think my escort shifts better than that thing.
Like it is very resistant and then bam it goes in...its kinda like penetrating a tight vagine
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Old 03-19-2008, 12:04 AM   #33
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Like it is very resistant and then bam it goes in...its kinda like penetrating a tight vagine
You censored the word cockpit but this is okay? lol...Also, only Borat pronounces it that way.
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Old 03-19-2008, 12:26 AM   #34
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You censored the word cockpit but this is okay? lol...Also, only Borat pronounces it that way.
Fine just for you

Shifting a 350Z is like ****ing a tight pussy, but its not something you want to do in a sports car
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Old 03-19-2008, 12:50 AM   #35
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Id say the whatever motor they could design with the highest power density to fit within the givin engine bay dimensions, without much of a weight penalty. It would also have to have more low end torque, Im not talking overkill but none of this lazy ass motor when vtecs not engaged.
now you're generalising...
that's like saying they should design every car to ride as smooth as possible without a cost penalty.
Engineering involves trade-offs. You've simply said "they should make it better". You have done nothing to prove it can be done effectively.
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Old 03-19-2008, 01:41 AM   #36
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Id say the whatever motor they could design with the highest power density to fit within the givin engine bay dimensions, without much of a weight penalty. It would also have to have more low end torque, Im not talking overkill but none of this lazy ass motor when vtecs not engaged.

Again, cost. That, and filling up the engine bay isn't always a good thing. In fact, I'd say it's bad to fill it up from a maintenance standpoint. And an engine that filled up an S2k engine bay would be too large. It's not a Ferrari, it's supposed to be somewhat affordable.
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Old 03-19-2008, 01:45 AM   #37
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i think what enthusiast means is that he would make it so that the car is as light as possible yet rigid and strong, with the greatest amount of horsepower possible from the lighest possible engine, which will wtill fit in the smallest possible space...

i think on top of all that I would make it so that it was a convertible, but perfect for winter driving, and had the highest possible gvwr, so I could pull my trailer.
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Old 03-19-2008, 01:45 AM   #38
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350Z I did

http://611autofind.com/used_vehicle_...4300c871c6199f

I dont like the Doorpanels, they just look sooo cheap and generic and blank
The steering wheel is ugly
Power seat controls are strangely placed
Shifter is notchy
Gauge cluster sits right on the steering wheel and is detached from the dash..looks like it was a frantic attempt to complete the car

Otherwise its nice
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Old 03-19-2008, 01:52 AM   #39
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Then cost becomes an issue. It's already quite expensive for a Honda.

A bigger engine alone would not make the car better, and if it somehow did it would become too expensive.

For the bigger engine to weigh the same, it would have to be made out of a lighter-wieght material. I don't know what the S2k engine is made out of, but I do know that a lighter material that maintains the integrity of a heavier material is usually more expensive. In the automotive world, at least.
Not exactly. For a bigger engine to be lighter it could do a number of things, for example if it was two V motors you could possibly narrow the angle of the V possibly minimizing the overal weight of the block.
Its not all in materials but layout also.

OHV motors can be very light compact and versatile.
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now you're generalising...
that's like saying they should design every car to ride as smooth as possible without a cost penalty.
Engineering involves trade-offs. You've simply said "they should make it better". You have done nothing to prove it can be done effectively.

Well I was not making a statement saying their is currently a better motor available, but instead I was saying was, Honda, while engineering the Z, shoudl have made a better motor.

But if you want to play like this. Give me the overall dimensions and weight of an F20C and we will go from there.
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Again, cost. That, and filling up the engine bay isn't always a good thing. In fact, I'd say it's bad to fill it up from a maintenance standpoint. And an engine that filled up an S2k engine bay would be too large. It's not a Ferrari, it's supposed to be somewhat affordable.

Okay the S2K has a huge engine bay, LS1s and 2JZs fit in there. Next time you see one ask to look under the hood.
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i think what enthusiast means is that he would make it so that the car is as light as possible yet rigid and strong, with the greatest amount of horsepower possible from the lighest possible engine, which will wtill fit in the smallest possible space...

i think on top of all that I would make it so that it was a convertible, but perfect for winter driving, and had the highest possible gvwr, so I could pull my trailer.

And the world would be a better place if all cars were designed with a thought like that. Cause most people dont understand you cant have your cake and eat it to so car manufactures have to try.

When a car manufacturer wants a car to do one thing without such a large trade off, guess what happens, NEW INOVATIONS. I know its not possible to be perfect of course their will always be a small tradeoff but if it was a big gain on on side and a very small loss on the other who cares.
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S2000 engine bay

Honda made a great sports car that is pretty quick and very fun to drive, enthusiast might not agree but obviously the 1000s of people got them are on my side...same can be said vise versa about F-Bodies
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Well I was not making a statement saying their is currently a better motor available, but instead I was saying was, Honda, while engineering the Z, shoudl have made a better motor.
Remember that engineering as well as production costs money. Honda can't just go and design the perfect engine every time they come out with a new car. As much as their engineers would probably love to, the accountants would never let them. For good reason too. Business is business. Something doesn't have to be the best to make the most money. Just ask Teac or Akai or any number of manufacturers who make cheap consumer goods.

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But if you want to play like this. Give me the overall dimensions and weight of an F20C and we will go from there.
ummm..... what has that got to do with anything?
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Not exactly. For a bigger engine to be lighter it could do a number of things, for example if it was two V motors you could possibly narrow the angle of the V possibly minimizing the overal weight of the block.
Its not all in materials but layout also.

OHV motors can be very light compact and versatile.

And what layout is going to be more weight friendly than an inline? I don't know a whole lot about the subject, but I'm guessing none.
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