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Old 12-14-2008, 04:41 AM   #1
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2005 Ford Focus

Alright, I've been looking for a car on and off for like a year now. I need to buy one by the end of Christmas break (January 7th-ish) for a couple reasons (long story). So I went out today, and found a 2005 Ford Focus ST at a local dealership. Here's a quick summary:

-40,000 miles (65,000km)
-Leather heated seats
-Power everything
-Manual
-4-door
-Sunroof(moonroof?)

The guy gave me a deal (I think), and knocked the price down from $12K to 9. I haven't heard bad things about the Focus, but I'm wondering if anyone here has--the car is a bit more than I wanted to spend, so I need it to last a while. Also, is that a deal or should I look for something better?
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Old 12-14-2008, 05:18 AM   #2
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Well I can give you my opinion. I have never personally owned a Focus, but I know someone that did. He bought a brand new (back then) 04 Focus 2.0 auto. (It was the small 4 cyl. I don't remember what size, but 2.0 sounds right. Please correct me if I'm wrong) He ended up putting in a new transmission around 35K and personally, it just wasn't that good of a car. (Everything that broke on the car was strictly because of him) I personally won't own one ever. I hate the styling, inside and out. But, if you treat it right, it could be a good car. Personally, I think there's better cars out there than a Focus though.
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Driven a few, and they aren't terrible but generally feel like washing machines, loud and rough. Plus, don't you think that he knocked 3 grand off the car is kind of surprising?

What budget are you working with, and translate it into USD for me please
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Driven a few, and they aren't terrible but generally feel like washing machines, loud and rough. Plus, don't you think that he knocked 3 grand off the car is kind of surprising?

What budget are you working with, and translate it into USD for me please
It's a bit odd that he'd knock it off, but I figured it was since it's a manual and not many people are in the market for that. It's still got like 2 or 3 years powertrain warranty, so I didn't really think about that much.

Absolute max I'm looking at around $8,000 Canadian, or about $7,000 U.S. (but if I buy from the U.S., taxes are lower so it kinda evens out).
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It's a bit odd that he'd knock it off, but I figured it was since it's a manual and not many people are in the market for that. It's still got like 2 or 3 years powertrain warranty, so I didn't really think about that much.

Absolute max I'm looking at around $8,000 Canadian, or about $7,000 U.S. (but if I buy from the U.S., taxes are lower so it kinda evens out).


There's plenty of cars in the 7G range that have about the same miles and are better cars. Might not be as new, but there are better ones..
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Yea, I have a pretty big list of cars I want, but don't seen them often at dealerships. Kinda nervous about private sellers, too.
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Yea, I have a pretty big list of cars I want, but don't seen them often at dealerships. Kinda nervous about private sellers, too.
Knowing where dealers get their cars, I would be more inclined to go with a private seller, trust me, I have seen the cars that come through the auction block, and I would not have bought mine from my dealer if I didn't know the full history of the car beforehand. I'm happy to help you through the car buying process, because I deal with it every day and have a decent ammount of knowledge on how things work, just let me know if you have any questions. What is your list of cars? Better yet, what are you looking for in a car?
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Knowing where dealers get their cars, I would be more inclined to go with a private seller, trust me, I have seen the cars that come through the auction block, and I would not have bought mine from my dealer if I didn't know the full history of the car beforehand. I'm happy to help you through the car buying process, because I deal with it every day and have a decent ammount of knowledge on how things work, just let me know if you have any questions. What is your list of cars? Better yet, what are you looking for in a car?



Go Ellis Juan...
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Could I go straight to the auction and get it for the same price as the dealer?

Generally, I'm looking for something like:
Chevy Cobalt
Pontiac Pursuit
Pontiac G5/G6
Toyota Celica
Hyundai Tiburon
Lincoln LS (test drove this one and it was great)
Mazda 3
Mazda Protege
Hyundai Sonata

That's just a general idea off the top of my head, but along those lines. I'm considering Civics, Accords, and Integras but they cost more to insure.

Basically, here's what I'm looking for:

-seats 4 or 5
-decent fuel economy
-manual/automatic (prefer manual)
-awd/fwd/rwd no big deal
-don't need a lot of cargo room
-2000 model year or newer
-max of about 100,000km or 60,000 miles
-max price of around $7-8,000 (maybe a bit higher if it's worth it)
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Who??

Chris, I am in the middle of doing some work for school but I will give you some info on your post tomorrow night when I can actually digest it all and answer properly.
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Chris, how about this?

http://cornwall.en.craigslist.ca/cto/927090874.html
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That HAS to be a scam, those cars are worth over 30k still...that's USD
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I've done hundreds of miles in both a petrol Focus and a diesel Focus. Obviously the diesel wont mean much to you over there, but the reliability of the petrol model probably will. Before it got written-off, the 2001 1.6-litre petrol Focus we had where I used to work, had 212,000-miles on the clock. As far as reliability goes, they're ok, although ours had about 160,000-miles on the clock when I toom a speed hump too fast and badly damaging the engine...Meaning a knew one was apparently 'needed'. Anyway, other than mechanically, they're ok, too, the interior wears as you'd expect, although I can't vouch for leather as our upholstry was cloth.

Newyorker has a point about them sounding rough etc when driving, but the are Fords afterall, lol. The ST you mention should have the 5-cylinder 2.5-litre Volvo Turbo unit in it, which should erradicate the roughness of the otherwise installed 2.0-litre Zetech 4-cylinder engine. This engine is arguably more reliable than Ford's own lump too. And much quicker, lol.


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Could I go straight to the auction and get it for the same price as the dealer?
You could do, assuming things are the same in all countries, lol. Obviously there's alot more risk buying at Auction than there is at a Dealership. I suggest taking someone with Auction experience with you if you choose to go to one! One of the best tips for buying at an auction is to set your budget and don't go above it, as it's very easy to get carried away! Also, you usually get the chance to view the cars before the auction starts, take this time to have a good look over any cars you're interested in.


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Knowing where dealers get their cars, I would be more inclined to go with a private seller, trust me, I have seen the cars that come through the auction block, and I would not have bought mine from my dealer if I didn't know the full history of the car beforehand...
If I was looking to buy a car in Chris's pricerange, I'd certainly go to a dealer rather than buy privately. For starters, regardless of the dealer, you'll always have more backup from either them, or another agency, if the car goes wrong just after buying it. Also, there's ways in which to find a good dealer, by reading reviews etc. You just have to be careful about who you buy from, by using a little common sense.
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