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Old 06-05-2004, 10:12 PM   #1
Tony J
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'90 Accord won't start in hot weather

My '90 Accord 4 cylinder sometimes doesn't start. The problem occurs in hot weather when the car has sat in the sun, or the car has been run and let sit for 5 minutes or so. The remedy that has worked has been to try a few starts without gas, then a couple with mid pressure on gas and two starts with pedal floored - then I let the car sit for exactly two minutes and 90% of the time it starts on the first turn of the key. Sometimes I have to repeat this cycle more than once - rarely I have had to wait a few hours for the car to cool down.
I had the spark checked on one occasion and no spark was detected.
Last year I installed new igniter card and coil, but I have the same problem.
Could it be something to do with the sensors malfunctioning and the ignition system just not giving the signal to go?
Anyone have the same problem?
Does anyone know of a fix?
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Old 06-06-2004, 12:30 AM   #2
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Not sure, but if I were you I'd introduce yourself first or you will get heavily flamed by the higher-ups of these forums.
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Old 06-06-2004, 01:34 AM   #3
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Hondas not starting in hot weathers

Hi, i drive an Acura Integra '90 and I had the same problem... the car had a very very hard time to start while resting in the sun. I had to change the main relay which (for me) is under the steering wheel. Since my Integra is in the Honda family, I would try changing that part. I hated saying that my car started like a new during winters but was real stubburn during summer.
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Old 06-06-2004, 03:06 AM   #4
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After doing the introduction thing, have you checked for trouble codes and if so, what are they?
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Old 08-01-2004, 08:11 AM   #5
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I've got the same problem :-(

I have a '92 Acura Integra GSR and I have the same problem. IT BITES!! It just started happening to me this summer.

MR2Power - I was wondering if after changing your main relay if that completely solved the problem and how much did it cost you??

"Higher-ups" of this forum... I'm not sure if I properly introduced myself i can't seem to find the right link to do so other than when i first registered but I wasn't able to put in any comments about how damn cool this site is. Please let me know how.
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Old 08-01-2004, 10:58 AM   #6
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I feel for you :-)

Hey All

Greets... Same thing with this type of problem. I have a 1990 Accord with a simular problem. I've isolated the parking brake which helps for starting maybe (try to start the car with the parking brake off). I think a mechanic may have wired it up wrong when he put in a new shift cable on the auto tranny (errr give 'er a whirl anyhow maybe.) Man they used to start instantly when they were new hey? I didn't try the modulator thing and thank you to someone for bringing that up. I'm messing with spark plug cables to get the car going as I put in some really dandy ones in from Canadian Tire! They were freakin" Bosch cables too! They had an Audi amount though (opened package in a Honda box apparently! [on sale a none left]) Five instead of four. The car started fine for a week. Then the hot weather. I tossed the receipt:-( I'll just buy Honda cables I guess. Maybe I'll try the modulator thing.

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Old 08-02-2004, 12:15 AM   #7
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modulator????

are you talking about the main relay???? is that a "modulator"? i'm not a car expert so i'm not sure exactly what that's called. if so have you changed it, how much did it cost you???
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Old 08-08-2004, 12:17 AM   #8
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Accord won't start when cabin is hot

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony J
My '90 Accord 4 cylinder sometimes doesn't start. The problem occurs in hot weather when the car has sat in the sun, or the car has been run and let sit for 5 minutes or so. The remedy that has worked has been to try a few starts without gas, then a couple with mid pressure on gas and two starts with pedal floored - then I let the car sit for exactly two minutes and 90% of the time it starts on the first turn of the key. Sometimes I have to repeat this cycle more than once - rarely I have had to wait a few hours for the car to cool down.
I had the spark checked on one occasion and no spark was detected.
Last year I installed new igniter card and coil, but I have the same problem.
Could it be something to do with the sensors malfunctioning and the ignition system just not giving the signal to go?
Anyone have the same problem?
Does anyone know of a fix?

I just fixed this problem on my daughter's 90 Accord after many misses (chasing ignition).

To confirm problem is MAIN RELAY: While the car is refusing to start, roll back carpet in trunk to reveal top of fuel pump/sender asm. Connect volt meter between YELLOW wire at connector and ground. Turn ignition to start. If voltage is present for about three seconds, relay is OK. If no voltage, confirm the diagnosis by applying 12V to yellow wire for a few seconds. Engine should start and run.

Failure seems to be on the relay circuit board, where solder connections gradually fracture and develop resistance. This resistance goes even higher when relay is hot from car sitting in sun. ECU then cannot tell when ignition has been turned to START and does not send requisite pulse of power to fuel pump. With no fuel pressure, car won't start.

Main relay is located under the cowl, attached under top of dash near the fuse block. Replacement part quotes ranged from 45 to 80 bucks, so shop around. The connector is a seven-pin block (row of four and row of three) with doubled-up wires on some pins. Look for a yellow wire at one end and black wires at the other end. I had to remove some bits to get access. Remove nut holding bracket and take relay out with bracket attached.

I was feeling frustrated from my earlier attempts to find and fix this problem. The fact that I prefer to work on cars in the cool of the day (when this problem never presents) may have been a factor. After $200 in ignition parts had not fixed anything, my daughter suggested I call Click and Clack about the problem. I laughed. Believe it or not, I was listening to their radio program while I was replacing this relay on her car (having diagnosed it with the test described here). A listener called about her car not starting on hot days. They asked if it was a Honda. No, she said, it was a '90 Acura. Without hesitation, they said replace the main relay; it was a well-known problem on Hondas (and Acuras) of that vintage. My daughter might have also suggested that I search the Internet, which I did not think to do until after I heard the call from the Car Show listener.

Last edited by gravistar : 08-11-2004 at 07:38 PM. Reason: revise factual info
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