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Old 06-24-2004, 09:06 PM   #1
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is it true thet most of the modern and regular american cars like chevrolet impala or lets say chevrolet cavalier got bad handling ?

because here in israel most of the cars are from japan (nazda toyota nissan honda subaru)
or european like (renault fiat etc)

but there is a very little amount of american cars , the prices of the american here in israel is really on the floor and really cheap but no one buys because "they doesnt match the israeli road" we have some crapy roads here but we got some goods.

so back to the question above .
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Old 06-24-2004, 10:01 PM   #2
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is it true thet most of the modern and regular american cars like chevrolet impala or lets say chevrolet cavalier got bad handling ?

because here in israel most of the cars are from japan (nazda toyota nissan honda subaru)
or european like (renault fiat etc)

but there is a very little amount of american cars , the prices of the american here in israel is really on the floor and really cheap but no one buys because "they doesnt match the israeli road" we have some crapy roads here but we got some goods.

so back to the question above .

I wouldnt say they have bad handeling, they just ride very very soft and have light steering in comparison to the euro specs any way. As you know they are also quite big and consume alot of fuel in comparison.

There really cheap becuase there subserdised by the us goverment!

Ill stop there before i start getting politcal.
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Old 06-24-2004, 10:19 PM   #3
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im not sure the are subserdised by the us

but ill ask someone about it .

no need to get political we are not here for it .

i have once drove a chevrolet cavalier and i felt like im driving a big boat when i was above 50 mph .

when i got on my corolla later i felt like im on some sporty because of the stiffness in comparisson to a big american .
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Old 06-24-2004, 10:46 PM   #4
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but ill ask someone about it .

no need to get political we are not here for it .

i have once drove a chevrolet cavalier and i felt like im driving a big boat when i was above 50 mph .

when i got on my corolla later i felt like im on some sporty because of the stiffness in comparisson to a big american .


thats exactly what i mean,
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Old 06-25-2004, 03:00 AM   #5
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you know

when i felt like driving a boat was'nt really giving me a good feeling

a feel like i dont control anything or somthing

how can i say it - not letting me feel secured or somthing .

naaa i dont like it hw can you driva somthing like this and even biger and smudgier cars acting even worst .


give me a japanease (like this ?) car and i feel much better .

maybe thets because im used to driving and beeing in a jap all of my life.
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Old 06-25-2004, 07:38 AM   #6
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when i felt like driving a boat was'nt really giving me a good feeling

a feel like i dont control anything or somthing

how can i say it - not letting me feel secured or somthing .

naaa i dont like it hw can you driva somthing like this and even biger and smudgier cars acting even worst .


give me a japanease (like this ?) car and i feel much better .

maybe thets because im used to driving and beeing in a jap all of my life.

yeah i know you cant feel the movments of the car, its just soft springs and over assisted steering, if you wanted it could be fixed but thats how yanks like them.
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Old 06-25-2004, 08:16 AM   #7
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Wow, I think a Cavalier Z24 handles just fine. Also, they have quick snappy pick ups from their 2.4l I-4. They are HARDLY a large car, so I don't see how it could feel like a boat. Plus the car is Front Wheel Drive, which makes steering at high speeds slower and you experience understeer while putting stress on the CV Joints. Plus with a new set of springs, or coilovers your solution would be fixed quickly. Also, they are very affordable.
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Old 06-25-2004, 09:59 PM   #8
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Wow, I think a Cavalier Z24 handles just fine. Also, they have quick snappy pick ups from their 2.4l I-4. They are HARDLY a large car, so I don't see how it could feel like a boat. Plus the car is Front Wheel Drive, which makes steering at high speeds slower and you experience understeer while putting stress on the CV Joints. Plus with a new set of springs, or coilovers your solution would be fixed quickly. Also, they are very affordable.


i think it depnds what your used to, you also have to rember that the boat feel is what americans sem to want so the import models are adjusted to give it a proper oil tanker feel he he
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Old 06-25-2004, 10:04 PM   #9
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american roads are diffrent to europes and probably all other types of roads.

the monsterious high power vechiles can get away with certain aspects and feels of the car on american roads where as in most parts of europe either isnt possible because of the twists and turns of winding roads. poor road condition or narrower sized lanes and fewer of them than the us.

Basically amercain cars where built for american roads
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Old 06-25-2004, 10:30 PM   #10
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exectly

there is a 57 camaro where i live , the owners changed lots of stuff to mae it much controlable things like sway bars and koni adjustment suspensions
new valves and valve springs , hot camsheft etc etc etc

the car is a monster !!!!

just to haer it rooorrrr's

so beutifull

i can put a link to her photos

http://www.max-tuning.com/gallery/us...1&LM=RankOrder

thets might just be the bigest tuning webpage in israel

allmost all the real pro's are there , including me
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Old 06-27-2004, 08:12 PM   #11
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True amercain cars are rare in britain.

Today i did see a cadillac fleetwood and there huge

compare to euros tiny cars. also saw some other vintage cars might put them in classic car area later.

But yea usa has some real growl to it
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Old 06-28-2004, 11:09 AM   #12
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i have once drove a chevrolet cavalier and i felt like im driving a big boat when i was above 50 mph .
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You were driving a Chevy Cavalier, and it feels like a boat? Something is seriously wrong with your driving judgment. Because a Cavalier is so tiny that any sidways motion would hardly be noticed, and even if there was a rocking motion it would not be as so severe for you to call it a "boat". American cars are loose in handling because a majority of our roads are straight. Euorpean cars are tight in handling because they have lots of winding roads.

Theres no need to have more than you need if the average driver will never use it. Not all American cars have bad handling either some have pretty decent handling they just usually cost a pretty penny.
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Old 06-28-2004, 11:57 AM   #13
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Exactly

American roads are for amercain cars and that the roads in us are very diffrent.

In europe we have the thin narrow winding twisting roads for some retarded reason
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Old 06-28-2004, 01:31 PM   #14
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Exactly

American roads are for amercain cars and that the roads in us are very diffrent.

In europe we have the thin narrow winding twisting roads for some retarded reason

well Lukaz if you was to come to Yorkshire and drive in our country lane's, 1st of all they wide as hell! secondly they ain't twisted! maybe windin' but hey, without bends and a little bit of turns, it's sad drivin in a straight line and thirdly, they empty as paradise lol

come to Yorkshire Lukaz! i could show you around, we got them fit yorkshire lass's aswell
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Old 06-28-2004, 01:37 PM   #15
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I know what you mean matey. im living around the East anglia area the land is flat and isnt that twisty and to be honest its often nothing like a good apex! vroommm heheh. but here is mostly country lanes lol.

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