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Old 07-19-2004, 05:24 AM   #1
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Who says there is'nt an American import killer?

I just felt like bringing this car up because I think its so damn cool. That kick ass car would have to be the Cadillac CTS-V.

5.7L LS6 V8 400 HP engine...Tremec T-56 6-Speed manual...Brembo Brakes w/14-in. rotors. But at a $50,000 price tag, this bad boy aint for amatuers. Made to compete with all M series and AMG's alike. The CTS-V is one bad mother... well you know where I was getting to with that one. I did'nt pick of my monthly copy of Car&Driver. So I'm a little hazy on the stats of the car.(i.e. 0-60, 1/4, skidpad, slalom, braking distance, etc..) So yeah, post up some feedback.



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Old 07-19-2004, 02:52 PM   #2
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not my cup of tea. i never have been a fan of caddilac's arts&science theme, this car only strenghtens my disposition.

The engine seems to be the same as the one in the C6
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Old 07-19-2004, 03:36 PM   #3
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I wouldn't call this car an import killer. It doesn't out-perform any of it's competition.

Cadillac CTS-V
Horsepower: 400 bhp @ 6000 rpm
Torque: 395 lb-ft @ 4800 rpm
0-60 mph: 5.2 sec
0-100 mph: 12.2 sec
Quarter Mile: 13.7 sec @ 107 mph
Skidpad: .90g
Braking, 60-0 mph: 118 ft
Slalom Speed: 66.1 mph

COMPETITION

Mercedes-Benz E 55 AMG
Horsepower: 469 bhp @ 6100 rpm
Torque: 516 lb-ft @ 2650-4500 rpm
0-60 mph: 4.3 sec
0-100 mph: 9.9 sec
Quarter Mile: 12.5 sec @ 116 mph
Skidpad: .83g
Braking, 60-0 mph: 123 ft
Slalom Speed: 63.7 mph

Audi RS6
Horsepower: 450 bhp @ 5700 rpm
Torque: 415 lb-ft @ 1950 rpm
0-60 mph: 4.4 sec
0-100 mph: 10.7 sec
Quarter Mile: 12.8 sec @ 108 mph
Skidpad: .88g
Braking, 60-0 mph: 118 ft
Slalom Speed: 66.5 mph

2005 BMW M5
Type: V10
Displacement: 5000 cc
Horsepower: 507 bhp @ 7750 rpm
Torque: 383 lb-ft @ 6100 rpm
Redline: 8250 rpm
0-60: ?
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The Cadillac CTS-V out-handles it's current competition, but BMW is expected to out-handle and out-accelerate everything in it's class with the introduction of the next generation M5.

As you can see, the Z06 engine that is powering the CTS-V isn't strong enough to make the Cadillac quicker than it's competition.

In it's current state, the CTS-V is no "import killer". But Cadillac is supposedly planning to upgrade the car so that it can better compete in it's class.

There is hope...
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Old 07-19-2004, 04:16 PM   #4
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i honestly started reading, and i was expecting to see comparisons from a lower class, like SRT-4's vs RSX and something like that.

guess not :P

still, those M5's are monsters. they should bother bringing back the M6 and all the other dead M's
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Old 07-19-2004, 05:13 PM   #5
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What, those are not the cars that this vehicle is competing with. Try the Audi S4, Jaguar S-Type R, MB C32 AMG, Volvo S60R, BMW M3, etc.
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Old 07-19-2004, 06:28 PM   #6
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What, those are not the cars that this vehicle is competing with. Try the Audi S4, Jaguar S-Type R, MB C32 AMG, Volvo S60R, BMW M3, etc.

That's what I used to say when I first heard of the CTS-V, but Cadillac insist that the CTS-V be compared to the mid-size high-performance luxury sedans such as the M5 and E55 AMG. If you don't believe me, you can check all of the car magazine reviews, and notice how they call it an "M5 Fighter" and they compare it to the E class, RS6 and M5. Maybe this was done because the STS wasn't yet produced.

But anyway, this is what magazines had to say about the CTS-V when comparing it to it's competition:

Motor Trend:
"America's bargain-priced M5"
" Like the BMW M5, the CTS-V's ride quality is good..."
"The CTS-V most wants to be like the M5.."

Car and Driver
"The CTS-V promises to challenge super-sedans such as the BMW M5."

Road and Track
"GM's Performance Division has indeed transformed this Cadillac into an American M5 fighter"
"you're getting BMW M5 performance at a savings of about 30 grand."

That's why I compared the CTS-V to the E 55 AMG and M5.
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Old 07-19-2004, 09:07 PM   #7
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I was reading a comparison in a magazine of a CTS-V, M3, and an M5, and it seemed to compete better with the M3. And I always thought the CTS was aimed toward the 3-Series, A4, etc...
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Old 07-19-2004, 09:57 PM   #8
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I was reading a comparison in a magazine of a CTS-V, M3, and an M5, and it seemed to compete better with the M3. And I always thought the CTS was aimed toward the 3-Series, A4, etc...

The CTS is indeed aimed at the 3 series, and the CS-V is aimed at the M3. It IS, however, sized like the M5, but it undercuts the cost of he M5 by tens of thousands of dollars.

Caddy does say it's the competition for the M3,and the new STS-V will be competition for the M5.

In either case, the performance is there, and the price is better for the Caddy.
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Technically, yes, the CTS-V is in the same class as the M3. But most agree that potential CTS-V customers are also considering an M5.

But yes, "technically", the CTS-V competes with the M3. But you'll have to search hard to find a direct comparison to a car in it's class.
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Old 07-19-2004, 10:30 PM   #10
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The CTS-V was made to compete with the M5 only because of its price. Car & Driver obviously know that the M5 has over 100 BHP more than the CTS-V, but yet the still insist to compare the 2. Why? Because the CTS-V cost 30K less and could drive circles arround the M5.

Cadillac CTS-V
Horsepower: 400 bhp @ 6000 rpm
Torque: 395 lb-ft @ 4800 rpm
0-60 mph: 5.1 sec
0-100 mph: 12.2 sec
Quarter Mile: 13.7 sec @ 107 mph
Skidpad: .90g
Braking, 60-0 mph: 118 ft
Slalom Speed: 66.1 mph

Jaguar S-Type R
Horsepower: 390BHP @ 6100 RPM
Torque: 399LB-FT @ 3500 RPM
0-60: 5.2 sec
0-100: 13.3 sec
1/4: 13.69 sec @ 103 mph
Slalom: 65 mph
Braking, 60-0mph: 109

Audi S4
Horsepower: 340BHP @ 7000RPM
Torque: 302 ft-lb @ 3500RPM
0-60: 4.99 sec
0-100: 12.65
1/4: 13.4 @ 105.06 mph
Skidpad: 0.90 g
Braking: (60-0) 117 ft

BMW M3
Horsepower: 333BHP @ 7900RPM
Torque: 262 ft-lb @ 4900RPM
0-60: 4.8 sec
1/4: 13.1 @ ???MPH

C32AMG
Horsepower: 369 BHP @ 6100RPM
Torque: 332 ft-lb @3000RPM
0-60: 4.77 sec
0-100: 11.80 sec
1/4: 13.24 sec @ 106.86 mph
60-0: 117 ft
Skidpad: 0.85

The CTS-V does'nt fall in with these but rather just above them and just under there biger brothers
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The CTS-V was made to compete with the M5 only because of its price.
That doesn't make sense, the M3 is in the CTS-V price range, not the M5


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Car & Driver obviously know that the M5 has over 100 BHP more than the CTS-V, but yet the still insist to compare the 2. Why? Because the CTS-V cost 30K less and could drive circles arround the M5.

Please clarify yourself please, you will confuse some people.

First of all, the M5 that has over 100 BHP more than the CTS-V hasn't been tested yet. The M5 that you believe that the CTS-V "can run circles around" actually has 6 horsepower less than the CTS-V.

And it isn't accurate to say that the CTS-V can "run circles around" the 394 horsepower BMW M5.....especially when the 394 hp M5 out-guns it in every acceleration test.

The only advantage that the CTS-V has over the 394 hp M5 is it requires a shorter distance to brake to a complete stop and the CTS-V runs the slalom at a slightly higher speed.
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That's why I compared the CTS-V to the E 55 AMG and M5.

That explains it. I suppose caddy did aim too high. Hopefully the STS has what it takes to challenge the next gen M5.
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Old 07-20-2004, 05:10 AM   #13
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That doesn't make sense, the M3 is in the CTS-V price range, not the M5

"Sigh...", we need a smiley where the guy is just like covering his face in the shame of other peoples stupidity.

They pit the CTS-V up against the 05 M5 because it resembles its performance and is 30 something K less. "Priced to compete", if you offer a car thats 30K less and has somewhat similar performance you'll naturally compare the two cars. Being that the 30K difference is supposed to make you overlook the extra 100HP on the M5



First of all, the M5 that has over 100 BHP more than the CTS-V hasn't been tested yet. The M5 that you believe that the CTS-V "can run circles around" actually has 6 horsepower less than the CTS-V.

And it isn't accurate to say that the CTS-V can "run circles around" the 394 horsepower BMW M5.....especially when the 394 hp M5 out-guns it in every acceleration test.

The only advantage that the CTS-V has over the 394 hp M5 is it requires a shorter distance to brake to a complete stop and the CTS-V runs the slalom at a slightly higher speed.

Why the hell am I explaining myself? I am in no way referring to acceleration.. Ahh forget it, I need not explain myself to people of your stature.
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Old 07-20-2004, 10:59 AM   #14
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I heard that exactly this car where designed to meet the european taste too, and definite know that this Caddy will be officially sold in Germany and other countries on the "continent" too.
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Old 07-20-2004, 02:16 PM   #15
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Super V! Spy shooters uncover dazzling, 600-hp CTS prototype

By AUTOWEEK

Even the spy shooters were dumbfounded by this dazzler from Cadillac. Many dubbed it CTS-V Plus, only to retract that information, noting the presence of a hood scoop on a car with no superchargers or turbos in its future must mean it is merely a CTS test mule. Our sources beg to differ, however.

We’re told this beast is the forerunner for the maximum General Motors Performance Division Caddy, the CTS-V Plus. Available direct from GM for about $65,000, Super V features a 600-hp engine, carbon fiber hood and fenders, and that scoop for getting more cooling air in and around the engine bay.

Once GM engineers get done running the Nürburgring, they’ll get down to the business of building just 500 limited-edition Super Vs.





This car has been testing at the Nurburgring, as well as the 700 hp STS-V Plus



This is the car GM wants to put up against the M5 and AMG.


Something interesting to contemplate, however... Bob Lutz was instrumental in getting BMW's M Division created when he was working for BMW in the '70s. Now he's in charge of gunning for the M Division at GM...
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