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Old 07-14-2005, 12:16 PM   #31
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i dont know what crackhead you got that information from enthusiest. but the mustang has been and always will be the best selling muscle car of the 60s. and in the 70s no one sold as many cars as the pontiac firebird. too bad you seemed to be missinformed alot. but the cudas are a sweet car from the years 70-73.

...well he was wrong about the cuda, but even you have to admit that the chevy sold an assload more camaros than pontiac did firebirds...
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yea i know alot people liked the camaros. but personaly after 69 i think the firebirds started to look better than the camaros. but the 67 and 68 firebirds still look really nice.
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and yea but in the mid to late 70s no one sold as many as the firebird. untill then it was mostly camaros and mustangs
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Old 07-14-2005, 05:16 PM   #34
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and yea but in the mid to late 70s no one sold as many as the firebird. untill then it was mostly camaros and mustangs

Actually even the Mustang IIs sold more than the Firebirds. In '74, 385,000 Mustang IIs were sold, and though sales dropped off every year after that, they still sold almost double the Camaro and Firebird combined. Sales increased again in '79 with the introduction of the Fox Mustang.

The Firebird's best sales year in the '70s was 187,285 units in '78 (93,341 being Trans Ams). 1976 was the first model year in which the Firebird sold more than 100,000 units.
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First the Chevy thread...and now this one Damn newbs trying to start shit.
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Old 07-14-2005, 06:13 PM   #36
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Ford sucks.......I guess if you have lots of money, you can build 1 for double the cost of a chevy and have the same horsepower

Actually, your statement is VERY closeminded. Keep in mind I made my Windsor run in the mid to low 10s with under 4,000 in the engine, and making close to 700hp.

I think the reason you like Chevrolet so much is because theyre easier to work on than a Ford right? The 350 Chevrolet is a much more simple engine than a Ford 302. But this just means your a lazy fool, whos grandpappy told you that Fords were no good.
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God dammit! I just realized the date on this thread.
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Old 07-14-2005, 06:18 PM   #38
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Actually even the Mustang IIs sold more than the Firebirds. In '74, 385,000 Mustang IIs were sold, and though sales dropped off every year after that, they still sold almost double the Camaro and Firebird combined. Sales increased again in '79 with the introduction of the Fox Mustang.

The Firebird's best sales year in the '70s was 187,285 units in '78 (93,341 being Trans Ams). 1976 was the first model year in which the Firebird sold more than 100,000 units.

I believe the Mustang was always loosely based on the fox body platform right from the beginning...but maybe Im mistaken.
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Actually, your statement is VERY closeminded. Keep in mind I made my Windsor run in the mid to low 10s with under 4,000 in the engine, and making close to 700hp.

I think the reason you like Chevrolet so much is because theyre easier to work on than a Ford right? The 350 Chevrolet is a much more simple engine than a Ford 302. But this just means your a lazy fool, whos grandpappy told you that Fords were no good.

there is a lil truth to that. for 4000 bucks you can make a 1000 plus hp chevy 350. and yea chevys are simpler. but thats not always a bad thing. plus i like the 289s better than the 302s. i still have the hi po 289 from my brothers 68 mustang and its pushin close to 350 hp. and it sounded really nice.
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there is a lil truth to that. for 4000 bucks you can make a 1000 plus hp chevy 350. and yea chevys are simpler. but thats not always a bad thing. plus i like the 289s better than the 302s. i still have the hi po 289 from my brothers 68 mustang and its pushin close to 350 hp. and it sounded really nice.

Nice engine for it's time the HP289, but IMHO the 302 is better, especially when stroking to 347. I started doing up a 289 for my '66 Falcon coupe, but ended up doing a bitsa starting with a 1969 mexican block. My only complaint is the cost of ford parts compared to chev. I'm currently trying to coerce Gonzo Racing Pipes into fabricating a set of extractors/headers for me to make the most of the SBF tone.
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Nice engine for it's time the HP289, but IMHO the 302 is better, especially when stroking to 347. I started doing up a 289 for my '66 Falcon coupe, but ended up doing a bitsa starting with a 1969 mexican block. My only complaint is the cost of ford parts compared to chev. I'm currently trying to coerce Gonzo Racing Pipes into fabricating a set of extractors/headers for me to make the most of the SBF tone.

Sometmes parts for Fords are more expensive than the ones for Chevrolet. I also like the 302 better than the 289, it has a better sound to it, and I think has more potential. Ive talked to Chevy guys that say that the 302 has the best hot rod sound out of any engine that GM, or Chrysler makes.
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if you ask alot of true die hard ford fans 7/10 will pick the 289 over the 302. but the 302s still a good engine. personaly i like the fe blocks too
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if you ask alot of true die hard ford fans 7/10 will pick the 289 over the 302. but the 302s still a good engine. personaly i like the fe blocks too
I know some guys like that. You can always tell the sound of a Ford V8 apart from a Chevy engine or Chrysler engine. You ever hear a car going down the road and you say to yourself "Thats a Mustang, with a 302 V8." Theres really nothing that sounds like that engine.
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I agree with the sound statements. At one stage the cops here had a pecking order where the young guys got the pursuit vehicles with the holden engines and the seniors the ones with ford. The almost potato sound of the fords compared with the rasp of the general was seen as more authoritative even though they may not have been as fast.
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I know some guys like that. You can always tell the sound of a Ford V8 apart from a Chevy engine or Chrysler engine. You ever hear a car going down the road and you say to yourself "Thats a Mustang, with a 302 V8." Theres really nothing that sounds like that engine.

They do sound unique, but I can't say that I really like the way they sound. I've personally always preferred the sound of a 350 SBC. But that is just a matter of preference.
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