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Old 01-28-2005, 03:40 AM   #1
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Need to set timing 98 escort 2.0L zetek engine

Hi, thanks in advance for any help you can give. My daughter's car is a 98 ford escort, 2.0L Zetek engine, manual transmission. About a year and a half ago she went through a low water crossing and blew the original engine (sucked water into it). I put in a used engine (about 37K miles) and its been running fine until last weekend when the timing belt broke. I bought a new timing belt and put it on, but the timing is off. There is no distributor to easily adjust the timing, all computer controlled. Unfortunately, both camshafts shifted out of position when the belt broke. The Haynes manual that I have does not give specific enough information to reset the cams to the correct position. I have put the engine at TDC and tried various positions for both cams, but just cannot get them exactly right. What I am looking for is guidance/picture of how both cams need to be set when the crankshaft is at TDC. I talked to a couple of Ford dealers, but I will be damned if I'm going to pay $119 just to "tell me what's wrong with it" when I can get another used engine for $500. (one aside, why don't dealers believe you when you tell them you know what is wrong and what you're doing?)

Any help that will avoid me having to put another engine in this car when the current one just needs to be set up properly woud be greatly appreciated.

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Old 01-28-2005, 03:52 AM   #2
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you didn't run the engine after you did all this did you?
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Old 01-28-2005, 04:01 AM   #3
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I tried to start the engine. It turns over, but won't start. I have good spark (checked with meter), and fuel pressure. I took off the negative battery cable to allow the computer to reset, same thing. My reliable knowledge base for repairs (neighbor who used to run an auto repair shop) says the crankshafts aren't set right, he had one a couple of years ago and it took him a week of minute adjustments to set them correctly. Unfortunately, he had a stroke and although the knowledge is still there, he can't physically come look and adjust.
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well i'll try to look it up but if thats an interferance engine(meaning the valves will interfere with the piston if timing is not perfect) so ya could be looking for a new engine already but i'll look it up first
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Old 01-28-2005, 04:12 AM   #5
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thanks. I don't think there's any interference, the engine turn over smoothly, no chunks, clanks, or grinding, just no ignition.
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Old 01-28-2005, 04:13 AM   #6
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Chances are your valves are bent. Need new heads or motor (if you don't want to change the heads) most likely.

You didn't set the timing when you put the belt on?

You have to take off the belt housing (again) and set the timing. That's the only way to set the timing.
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yes he knows but he needs the diagram, and i dunno if it is an interferance engine for sure so don't go buyin heads or a motot yet
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Shouldn't need a diagrahm to set timing, just take off the belt and line the marks up on the cam and crank.
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Old 01-28-2005, 04:23 AM   #9
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unfortunately, there's no easy way that I know of to set the timing. there are no marks on the camshafts to set an alignment (wonderful design, thank you ford). the haynes manual I have only says to put the camshaft tool around the shafts before removing the timing belt. since the belt broke, the alignment of the shafts is already off. yes, there could be damage, but it doesn't sound like it when the engine turns over. if i can get the shafts aligned properly and it still won't start, then i'll just drop another engine into it, trying to avoid that, daughter's car is 150 miles away with no easy place to work on it.
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Shouldn't need a diagrahm to set timing, just take off the belt and line the marks up on the cam and crank.

youd be hooped doing a chrysler 3.0L in a caravan if the belt broke, or getting a motor from a wreker with the belt already off.it sucks sometimes
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Ford's really good at making well designed cars aren't they?

I don't have a timing book at home, they're all at work so, sorry.
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Old 01-28-2005, 04:37 AM   #12
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agreed. i try to avoid cars that I can't work on fairly easily. the wife wanted a van, i said no way, too much of a pain.
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Ford's really good at making well designed cars aren't they?

I don't have a timing book at home, they're all at work so, sorry.

i won't touch this with a 10 foot pole.
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i won't touch this with a 10 foot pole.

What about an 11 footer? or a baseball bat? They work pretty good on ford's afterall.
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Old 01-28-2005, 04:55 AM   #15
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actually, most of the ford's i've had have been fairly decent, including this one. I just can't believe they wouldn't have set alignment marks on the camshafts. There's one for the crank, but not the cams, wtf?? anyway, I'm not going to be able to get down to the car until Sat or Sun, so if it takes a day or two, i'm still ok. Daughter just made me grandpa last thursday, so she's not really worried about driving her car around much, her husband can drive them where they need to go, but i'd like to get her car going as soon as I can.

btw, wife thought a van would be good for camping as we have three boxers to haul around. i bought an older suburban (much easier to work on) and she is more than pleased.

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