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Old 06-20-2005, 11:00 PM   #76
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I merely posted pics to give some perspective of the trade centre calamity and how it is insignificant in comparison to what has happened in the past. Thus my "Before we all get too cute:" precursor.

You can get as precious as you like and mouthy as you are want to be, but fact is fact. Insofar as Cambodia, you must have been brought up in a bubble if you don't see how interference in that country and Laos by a certain war mongering nation at the time debased it so much that it had no means to govern. I guess you are too young to remember the mass protests in the US by the baby boomers to stop the nonsense that the governments of the day were practising?

Eyes wide open my son, no revisionist history will wipe away the stark reality of the evidence.
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I've got a feeling that this is going to get funny shortly ....
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Been reading through this thread and there seem to be a lot of misconceptions regarding american cars although i agree that maintenance is the key to a cars life...
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"Actually, every expert that has driven the ford has said that it handles WAY better than it should, and with the live rear axle is the only downside, with it's side-step."

IT SHOULD handle like a pile of shit, instead it just handles like a sack of shit. comparing new mustang to older mustang is like comparing idiot to moron. live rear axle= shit. so its got a live rear axle, like a TRUCK. so it cant handle a lot better than any truck, in case u didnt know, truck handling is almost non-existent. a new mustang has about as much technology in it as a 1945 mercedes, thats pretty ****ing sad.
also, repsonding to another post, the s2000 has a 2.2L 4 cyl. the s2000 gets its HP higher revs. but look at how long it takes to get to that rev in comparison to a mustang, just look at the vtec system. the s2000 outhandles nearly every car less that $40,000, compare that to any mustang, and u will see that that includes the new mustang, any mustang for that matter.


“Ay yup. The ford GT matches the enzo in th 60 split, and kills it's 2nd best car. Now change out the SC pulley, and I'm sure it can run faster times than the enzo. And ferrari has not been the premiere racing name. That's only in formula one. How high did The mc12 place at sebring? It got beaten by a C6-R and a DBR9.”

per road and track, the enzo goes 0-60 in 3.3, the ford GT is 3.8. i know i can read, obviously this guy cant. by the way the f430 time is 3.5, which is less than 3.8(ford gt). the f430 1/4 mile is 11.7, the ford gt is 12.2. thats half a second faster in teh 1/4 mile. on top of all that, the ferrari makes less Hp and has a smaller engine. i call that engineering, dont know about you. F1 is the premiere racing series and ferrari dominates it. that makes ferrari the premier racing brand. the mc12 at sebring....hmm...not only is that not the premiere racing series, its only one race, just one. Beyond all that, for many years Ferrari has been the #1 choice by people with money. In case u didn’t know, people with money are smart and control a lot of the world. Combine racing success and commercial popularity and quality and u get the greatest car maker of all time. (generally I don’t speak in absolutes, but in this case, Ferrari simply makes the best cars[price insensitive])


“Engineering? It's ugly because it produces so much downforce. It can take turns at insane speeds and still stay stuck to the tarmac. And guess what? Both the S7 and the enzo are ousted in the braking and slalom by other cars less than a quarter their price. The porsches and the elise.”

Has anyone ever heard the term “a shopping cart with a rocket engine strapped to it”? that’s basically the saleen. Do u know how easy putting a turbo on a car is? Its really not hard. Look at the Toyota supra, u can get 1000 hp out of that 6 cylinder with maybe $20,000. it still wont handle like an enzo tho. Nothing handles all around like an enzo, that is, in the street legal market. Do u understand y the enzo and saleen s(hitty)7 brake in longer distances and slalom. It’s all about the weight, balance, and ENGINEERING. Cars with more weight cannot brake as well it would defy the laws of physics. Also, going back to the downforce, the words “saleen” and “engineering” should never be used in the same sentence without a negative. A 7L v8, goddam. Its been proven that more cylinders gets u more hp/L. a 7L v8 will obviously get less HP than a 6 L v12. besides the fact one was designed by a group of people who “arent geniuses”(I’d like to use a different word here, but its not politically correct) and the other was designed by the best car engineers in the world, ever(ah yes, going back to the absolute). Personally, I think the saleen is f*&^ing ugly because it was designed off of a matchbox car, does it not look like that? Like something a little kid would play with? Also, im the biggest Porsche fan there is, but the boxster outhandles the 911, by a bunch, just because of the weighting. DON’T MAKE GENERALIZATIONS. Also, the boxster is less than 1/10 the price of an enzo, and that’s the original enzo price, keep in mind that the car now sells for about $1.3 mil. Seriously, there has to be something about it that gives it this value, think about it.


“Other factors, such as customer service, profit margins, stock price, etc. etc.”

Customer service, haha, my friend drives a ford unfortunately and hates the service departments and how shitty the sale was, but he didn’t have any choice at the time. Also, did ever think that there is a reason why ford and GM are giving out such huge discounts? There is a reason, it’s because their cars suck and people are tired of wasting sympathy money. Many people buy American cars because they feel it supports the American economy. The only reason y the companies are surviving right now is because of the government vehicles. And Chrysler is being supported by the incredible Mercedes-benz. That pretty much covers the profit margins category. Also, if u take the time to a read an excellent book, “bull’s eye investing,” by john maudlin, u will see how he proves that stock price is not in direct correlation with the earnings, or how well the company is doing. The P/E ([stock]price/ earnings) ratio has been historically unpredictable for nearly all companies.
One more thing, etc., from the latin “et ceteri,” meaning “and others,” does not make any sense when used more than once.


“Do you recall the mitsubishi fiasco of 2 weeks ago? Both have their problems, and america is slightly behind in the consumer reports ratings. But it's ever so slightly that it's not worth bragging about.”
U have heard of the big 3 in Detroit I assume. Well, there’s 2 other sets of 3’s in the world, which represent the world’s cars in general. When u say “german car,” u are speaking of either BMW, Porsche/audi/vw, or Mercedes. When u say “Japanese car,” u are referring primarily to Honda, Toyota, and Nissan (and their upper class affiliates). As u can see, mitsu is not included. Mitsu does not represent well the Japanese car industry. Japan takes an innovation and makes it better, improves on it and makes the most efficient, reliable cars(example: lexus GS, from the Mercedes E class). Germany makes the new, practical ideas. This results in the best, most well-rounded cars. These are general trends. American cars are one reason why the US does not command some more respect from the rest of the world. The highest selling cars in the US right now are Toyota/lexus cars. This is one of the only places in the world where companies who produce a large range of domestic cars do not sell the majority of all cars. Look at japan and germany, where domestic cars are actually good. American cars are not just slightly behind, they are WAY behind. There are approximately 2 american cars that have good reliability, they are both buicks. Really fun cars to drive as well(sarcasm). that’s 2 american cars, count em. These cars are almost close to an average Japanese car. Take a look at reliability of THE MOST RELIABLE Japanese cars. The Toyota camry is virtually perfect. The only reason American cars can get mediocre reliability is because systems are so simple in the cars. There is nothing TO BREAK. Compare that to a BMW with iDrive, for example, all opinions aside, the bmw 7 series has some of the most advanced electronics of any car, of course that shit will break, that’s just what happens when u are making huge innovations. But seriously, whats the excuse for a chevy suburban breaking down, theres not any complex luxury systems to break, yet the thing still breaks down consistently. That’s ridiculous. Its understandable when a super advanced car, like a Ferrari, breaks down, because u are getting amazing new technologies which are still being worked out. On the other hand, an American car has about the same level of innovation and technology as a 70’s bmw. The fact that they break down is just sad.
Believe me, I wish the American companies would step up and make a decent car. They are constantly trying to keep up with germany and japan, the fact is, they don’t have a chance. They need to change their approach, instead of trying to play catch-up like they are right now. Its obviously not working out.


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im disappointed by the US car companies, we have some of the best(most successful) business men in the world as well as some genius engineers, only not in the auto market. it's just too bad. they need to apply some of the american genius which is present to the auto market and the US economy and politics will become stronger. people do not trust american cars, people rely on japan for efficiency and reliability in cars and rely on germany and italy for cutting edge technology. the US companies provide neither for the american people. the entire US will benefit as a result of a future increase in american car quality, the companies just need to find their niche in the world market.

A couple more personal questions: for 99integra, why do u have a pic of an STI? Its not like some amazing supercar, I see them everyday. Sure, its (very) fast, but its easily achievable and still only costs 30k. And if it’s not ur car, what’s the point, please explain.
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^^ lol. what a character. im very interested in your thinking...lets see how people respond...
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Old 06-21-2005, 03:58 AM   #85
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^^ lol. what a character. im very interested in your thinking...lets see how people respond...
haha i thought the same thing but you beat me to it. I dont think people will have the nicest responses.
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^^ lol. what a character. im very interested in your thinking...lets see how people respond...

Oh, this guy's gonna get it.....

I'm drafting my heated response now. My biggest concern is that they guy being an A-hole earlier changed usernames, and is now using this one.
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stup ir 2: are u saying ford uses high quality materials?
stup ir 2: ??
stup ir 2: because its a fact they dont
stup ir 2: their stuff is shit
stup ir 2: my friend took a turn fast and bent his ford
stup ir 2: literally bent the car
stup ir 2: WHAT A POS


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"IT SHOULD handle like a pile of shit, instead it just handles like a sack of shit. comparing new mustang to older mustang is like comparing idiot to moron. live rear axle= shit. so its got a live rear axle, like a TRUCK. so it cant handle a lot better than any truck, in case u didnt know, truck handling is almost non-existent. a new mustang has about as much technology in it as a 1945 mercedes, thats pretty ****ing sad.
also, repsonding to another post, the s2000 has a 2.2L 4 cyl. the s2000 gets its HP higher revs. but look at how long it takes to get to that rev in comparison to a mustang, just look at the vtec system. the s2000 outhandles nearly every car less that $40,000, compare that to any mustang, and u will see that that includes the new mustang, any mustang for that matter.
And it handles well with the live rear axle. EVERY EXPERT THAT HAS DRIVEN IT HAS SAID SO. they got into the car thinking it would handle like most other mustangs, but were suprised at it's agility, and deemed it worth mentioning as a pro to the car. And I assure you the mustang has tons of implemented technology, but it doesn't need the technology that an enzo has, because it has displacement on demand. The s2000 had a slower track time than the 350Z.......


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per road and track, the enzo goes 0-60 in 3.3, the ford GT is 3.8. i know i can read, obviously this guy cant. by the way the f430 time is 3.5, which is less than 3.8(ford gt). the f430 1/4 mile is 11.7, the ford gt is 12.2. thats half a second faster in teh 1/4 mile. on top of all that, the ferrari makes less Hp and has a smaller engine. i call that engineering, dont know about you. F1 is the premiere racing series and ferrari dominates it. that makes ferrari the premier racing brand. the mc12 at sebring....hmm...not only is that not the premiere racing series, its only one race, just one. Beyond all that, for many years Ferrari has been the #1 choice by people with money. In case u didn’t know, people with money are smart and control a lot of the world. Combine racing success and commercial popularity and quality and u get the greatest car maker of all time. (generally I don’t speak in absolutes, but in this case, Ferrari simply makes the best cars[price insensitive])
The ford GT has registered times of 3.3 in a broken-in-car. I doubt roand and track had the GT for 1500 miles like they did the enzo. And the GT beat the F430 in the motor trend test even with the hidden shift system unleashed. And of course ferrari dominates it, that's what happens when you dump in 5 times as much R&D as the 2nd place team. And I assure you that ferrari is not the best automaker in the world in an absolute sense.



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Has anyone ever heard the term “a shopping cart with a rocket engine strapped to it”? that’s basically the saleen. Do u know how easy putting a turbo on a car is? Its really not hard. Look at the Toyota supra, u can get 1000 hp out of that 6 cylinder with maybe $20,000. it still wont handle like an enzo tho. Nothing handles all around like an enzo, that is, in the street legal market. Do u understand y the enzo and saleen s(hitty)7 brake in longer distances and slalom. It’s all about the weight, balance, and ENGINEERING. Cars with more weight cannot brake as well it would defy the laws of physics. Also, going back to the downforce, the words “saleen” and “engineering” should never be used in the same sentence without a negative. A 7L v8, goddam. Its been proven that more cylinders gets u more hp/L. a 7L v8 will obviously get less HP than a 6 L v12. besides the fact one was designed by a group of people who “arent geniuses”(I’d like to use a different word here, but its not politically correct) and the other was designed by the best car engineers in the world, ever(ah yes, going back to the absolute). Personally, I think the saleen is f*&^ing ugly because it was designed off of a matchbox car, does it not look like that? Like something a little kid would play with? Also, im the biggest Porsche fan there is, but the boxster outhandles the 911, by a bunch, just because of the weighting. DON’T MAKE GENERALIZATIONS. Also, the boxster is less than 1/10 the price of an enzo, and that’s the original enzo price, keep in mind that the car now sells for about $1.3 mil. Seriously, there has to be something about it that gives it this value, think about it.


“Other factors, such as customer service, profit margins, stock price, etc. etc.”

Customer service, haha, my friend drives a ford unfortunately and hates the service departments and how shitty the sale was, but he didn’t have any choice at the time. Also, did ever think that there is a reason why ford and GM are giving out such huge discounts? There is a reason, it’s because their cars suck and people are tired of wasting sympathy money. Many people buy American cars because they feel it supports the American economy. The only reason y the companies are surviving right now is because of the government vehicles. And Chrysler is being supported by the incredible Mercedes-benz. That pretty much covers the profit margins category. Also, if u take the time to a read an excellent book, “bull’s eye investing,” by john maudlin, u will see how he proves that stock price is not in direct correlation with the earnings, or how well the company is doing. The P/E ([stock]price/ earnings) ratio has been historically unpredictable for nearly all companies.
One more thing, etc., from the latin “et ceteri,” meaning “and others,” does not make any sense when used more than once.


“Do you recall the mitsubishi fiasco of 2 weeks ago? Both have their problems, and america is slightly behind in the consumer reports ratings. But it's ever so slightly that it's not worth bragging about.”
U have heard of the big 3 in Detroit I assume. Well, there’s 2 other sets of 3’s in the world, which represent the world’s cars in general. When u say “german car,” u are speaking of either BMW, Porsche/audi/vw, or Mercedes. When u say “Japanese car,” u are referring primarily to Honda, Toyota, and Nissan (and their upper class affiliates). As u can see, mitsu is not included. Mitsu does not represent well the Japanese car industry. Japan takes an innovation and makes it better, improves on it and makes the most efficient, reliable cars(example: lexus GS, from the Mercedes E class). Germany makes the new, practical ideas. This results in the best, most well-rounded cars. These are general trends. American cars are one reason why the US does not command some more respect from the rest of the world. The highest selling cars in the US right now are Toyota/lexus cars. This is one of the only places in the world where companies who produce a large range of domestic cars do not sell the majority of all cars. Look at japan and germany, where domestic cars are actually good. American cars are not just slightly behind, they are WAY behind. There are approximately 2 american cars that have good reliability, they are both buicks. Really fun cars to drive as well(sarcasm). that’s 2 american cars, count em. These cars are almost close to an average Japanese car. Take a look at reliability of THE MOST RELIABLE Japanese cars. The Toyota camry is virtually perfect. The only reason American cars can get mediocre reliability is because systems are so simple in the cars. There is nothing TO BREAK. Compare that to a BMW with iDrive, for example, all opinions aside, the bmw 7 series has some of the most advanced electronics of any car, of course that shit will break, that’s just what happens when u are making huge innovations. But seriously, whats the excuse for a chevy suburban breaking down, theres not any complex luxury systems to break, yet the thing still breaks down consistently. That’s ridiculous. Its understandable when a super advanced car, like a Ferrari, breaks down, because u are getting amazing new technologies which are still being worked out. On the other hand, an American car has about the same level of innovation and technology as a 70’s bmw. The fact that they break down is just sad.
Believe me, I wish the American companies would step up and make a decent car. They are constantly trying to keep up with germany and japan, the fact is, they don’t have a chance. They need to change their approach, instead of trying to play catch-up like they are right now. Its obviously not working out.


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im disappointed by the US car companies, we have some of the best(most successful) business men in the world as well as some genius engineers, only not in the auto market. it's just too bad. they need to apply some of the american genius which is present to the auto market and the US economy and politics will become stronger. people do not trust american cars, people rely on japan for efficiency and reliability in cars and rely on germany and italy for cutting edge technology. the US companies provide neither for the american people. the entire US will benefit as a result of a future increase in american car quality, the companies just need to find their niche in the world market.

A couple more personal questions: for 99integra, why do u have a pic of an STI? Its not like some amazing supercar, I see them everyday. Sure, its (very) fast, but its easily achievable and still only costs 30k. And if it’s not ur car, what’s the point, please explain.[/quote]

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stup ir 2: no, it DOES NOT, the only way to keep weight low in a car with a heavy engine is to use crappy parts
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Somehow the user's nick doesn't seem to gel with the content of the post. A fun post all the same.
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No, you ****tard. I like to have people THINK beofre submitting dumbass partial responses on a forum. I much more enjoy dealing with people who actually use some thought processes before hitting the "submit" button, but you were completely incapbale of that OR getting the point when it was directly spelled out for you.

no, you were just being a dick that time. You took a cheap-shot at Canada, so I took a shot at the US.

You seem to enjoy being an ass.
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